And if both Buffalo Bill and Clint Eastwood liked it in different centuries, you know its got to be good. He knew the early production were quality gun and at some point there was a move and or change of management and quality went in the crapper. This may a bit late, but I just got here. But, since he doesn't shoot "cowboy" any more it's part of my backup pair to my main Colt guns). Walnut stock. Ive been pretty satisfied with Clean Shot sub, and it smokes a lot less and produces significantly less fouling. If yoiui can keep all six shots in a four inch circle, at whatever range you think you are likely to see a deer, then take your Remington Percussion Revolver hunting. I never did fault him for it even though he was 3000 miles out of his jurisdiction. The instruction manual back then did not give any information on proper cleaning. Some, like Traditions would rather just to volume and dont seem to be very demanding of quality. Armi San Marco was a family owned gun maker in Brescia, Italy. It was a great shooter, but unfortunately it rusted up while in storage. So feel free to experiment. On clening, dont whatever you do mention water, on a web site run by some guy named John Fuhring. hello again my good friends , I have a couple sets of BP cap/ball one is a mixed set of open top 1-36 navy and a 44 navy/army and the other is a set of 1858 new army is 44 any how was thinkin of pull-in them out of the safe and maybe doing a tune up ,try to soffen those big springs but don't see any thing on them any more , not a mention , were these "junk " guns .? I am no authority, but I believe I know the law on this subject. Theres that great close up of Preachers hands as he swaps cylinders, preparing to deal final justice to Stockburn, the evil marshal whos been terrorizing the small-time miners and the townsfolk with his equally-evil posse of deputies. -drop safety-Hammer- - Z52776. Barrel: 12 inch Click on the "Full Description" fore more info. I've never had any problems with them. Also on the note of black powder, someone with a lesser felony conviction can own a black powder gun as long as the magazine cannot be altered to fire High power center fire ammunition (45-70 and .45 colt cowboy rounds do not apply). I often find them employed at LGS and they are a good resource. In 2004 I orderd a Uberti 1851 Colt part from the very back of the Brownells catalog the Uberti part fit better than the original, with both parts out side by side the Uberti had better finnish, the 'ASM' part had tool marks and general over all rough apperance (probibly why it broke due to stress risers from the poorly finished part). I respect your opinion, but roll my eyes when you try to state that as a matter of fact when its an opinion. Thats meat harvesting and theres nothing wrong with it. A) Armi San Marco 1858 New Model Percussion Revolver. Lightning Manual. Big thump, big cloud, and I could see the huge rounds hitting the berm when I was spotting through binoculars. He took the gun back. Unfortunately, ASM also changed their name to Chaparral about the same time. (not by much) sInce they use the .44 barrel boared for .22s, the strength is well past ridiculous, even for the .22 Magnum. The 1858 Remington is a single-action, cap-and-ball percussion revolver, usually .44 caliber, although versions were also made in both .31 and .36 calibers. Youll love it! An iron-sight Hawken at whatever range you can stay on a sheet of typing paper EVERY SHOT offhand is hunting. Mounted Shooting 1873 Rifle Cleaning Instructions. Frankly, I like the 45LC version better. The Remington-Beals as it was called back then came into its own with the onset of the Civil War. FEMALE PEOPLE, Riding into the sunset in a living room near you, Tusco Long Riders, Brown Township Regulators, Firelands Peacemakers, Ohio Valley Vigilantes, Indiana Black Powder Guild, Bayou Bounty Hunters, Deadwood Marshals, Border Vigilantes, Damascus Wildlife Rangers, Thurmont Rangers, Westshore Posse, Monocacy Illregulars, Potomac Rangers, Cedar Valley Vigilantes, Granite City Gunslingers, Chorro Valley Regulators, Home of The John Wayne Shoot-Out now The SASS Western Regional, The ORIGINAL Pozo River Vigilance Committee, Tejas Caballeros, Texican Rangers, Green Mountain Regulators, Plum Creek Shooting Society, Chorro Valley Regulators, Pozo River Vigilence Committee, piru hole in wall, deadwood boys and ojai desperados, Firelands Peacemakers,Tusco Long Riders, Ohio Valley Vigilantes, Sandusky Regulators, Brown Twp. I bought a pietta model 1858 used and still havent fired it yet. All Armi San Marco black powder cap and ball and cartridge conversion models were discontinued in 2000. But that same design made the Remington more robust than the Colts and also gave the advantage of rapid cylinder swapping. Youd use either #10 or #11, the 11s being the larger. I am not convinced about black powder handguns for deer hunting. Howell Conversions - GATED 1858 Remington Pietta .45 LC. Manufacturer: ARMI SAN MARCO. I have several cap-and-ball revolvers, all made by Pietta. Minor handling dings - see photos Standard 8" octagon barrel. Anyone have any experience with hunting large animals with cap and ball guns? Pietta "1858" CCH Hammer with lowered Spur by Ol' #4 30.00 + 2.75 shipping via USPS Selling as a set: Pietta Hammer, Trigger, Hand w/spring, Bolt/Trigger Spring and Hammer Spring 23.00 shipped. In the original box serial numbered to the gun. The lesson is that if you shoot a black powder rifle dont think you know how to clean this pistol. - 2) a few of the triggergaurd and backstrap screw heads have flaked a bitcosmetic only so far. I had the same problem. I use the same 452s in my bps that my wife uses in her .45 acp both 452s with the ring shear it is still .450. The open top revolver needed some work. what ever happen to "army san marcos" guns ? Second, every forum has those who will not allow an absence of knowledge interfere with their conveyance of information. The used value of an ARMI SAN MARCO pistol has fallen ($12.42) Swapping barrels can involve fitting the arbor to the barrel sometimes. Black powder is scary in the beginning. My Command Sergeant Major made me promise to shoot it and not just keep it in my safe. I found that mis fires and hang fires happened all the time. Brass (frame) is kinda pretty but Steel much stronger and more durable. THE BORE IS 45 Caliber; 97% blue, good bore, excellent grips, 10'' barrel, ITALIAN REPRODUCTION OF A "W.MOORE-LONDON" SINGLE SHOT CAP & BALL PISTOL IN VERY GOOD OVERALL CONDITION. Not to put too fine a point on an excellent review but the Preacher killed Marshal Stockburn at the end. Brass front sight, notched hammer rear sight. All you have to do is go inside of a gun made by them and you will see how bad it is. I got my first 58 Remington in 1989 for Christmas ($99 from Cabelas). 1883 Burgess Manual. Actually, percussion caps come in slightly different sizes, as do nipples. Thatd be 24 shots of fairly rapid fire, not shabby even by todays standards. I have a Uberti 1847 Walker. Stainless steel octagon barrel with drift adjustable front sight, elevation adjustable rear sight. WebDescription: Remington Model 1858 New Model Army Revolver, .44 caliber. Water is definitely the very best way to get rid of Black Powder fouling. The one who makes a career of it will begin to stick out like a sore thumb, before long just based on the volume of questionable facts he spouts. Pietta and Uberti cylinders do not interchange. They thought if they started raising the price on their guns to in the, same range as Uberti that all the problems would go away. Copyright 2019 sassnet.com In 1993, the Hartford line was introduced by E.M.F. These are considered antiques and not subject to paper work. Today you can quickly convert your own Remington 1858, without first paying off some big corporation, by merely dropping in a cartridge conversion cylinder two popular versions are the Taylors R&D and Kirst conversions. After the first range trip, i tore it down to the last screw and cleaned/oiled the whole thing and still wound up with some rust on it when I put it back together the next day. I weighs a ton, has a 9 inch barrel and is damn accurate. Pretty simple. Dont ever get law and logic mixed up; they have nothing in common. There, you should find a roman numeral or two character alphabetical stamp. Cimarron Thunderer and if you wish you can contact your local ATF to find your answer. Not that it cant be done. Retail $300. Fine quality pistol, exhibits high standards of Armi San Marco first started making a Colt 1873 replica in the middle 1980s. Same as for buying an 1873 Colt Peacemakerjust because it was designed prior to 1899 doesnt mean that you can have it shipped to your door. Slim Fit Leather Jackets is an online store that sells jackets for men and women with free shipping all over the world! About 400 ft-lbs Energy. Sounds like the name of a shady character lurking in the wisteria of some Flannery OConnor story, doesnt it? Many, many thanks for making this information public. I found Uberti cap & call cylinders a drop-in fit in both Uberti and Colt 1st, 2nd and 3rd gen Navies and Armies. It is meat harvesting, pure and simple. They are both shooters and I believe they will have a blast with this next time I visit. The Kirst conversion is named after probably the most famous cinematic example of the 1858 Remington rapid cylinder change, the final gunfight from Clint Eastwoods Pale Rider. Snapped back so hard the hammer tore a chunk of meat from my thumb. Get an UpLula magazine loader. I have replacements now, but I keep it around as a back-up. Ive made it a long way by doing what CSMs tell me to do, so I shoot it at least once a month. Original blued finish, case colored frame, brass trigger guard and backstrap. The Colts often did have short safety pins at the back of the cylinder which could be engaged with the notch in the hammer nose, to accomplish exactly the same thing however. 1873 Single Action Manual. Most of the pieces are in a ziploc bag saved for what purpose I don't know. Black Powder Revolver Manual. I got them from EMF. Eventually, the design inspired the 1875 Remington, a true metallic cartridge revolver, but one that clearly shows the influences from the 1858. ARMI SAN MARCO .45 LC Hartford Model Box Papers Manual Spring, Genuine ASM & CVA - Stop Bolt - For Remington 1858 Revolver - Armi San Marco, Armi San Marco dragoon pistol grips pearl / gold leaf plastic, Armi San Marco Hawkeye/Ridgerunner Reference copy single page 7.5x11Diagram, SAN MARCO - ROAD BIKE - SADDLE - ROLLS - GOLD RAILS, Leave feedback about your eBay search experience - opens in new window or tab. The book calls for using 3Fg, on the can it will read as FFFg. It is considered a part and can be ordered through the mail. Wow, TTAG must be monitoring my TV; this review came on here while Im watching The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly. They make the guns for different companies and the workmanship is terrible. One of the knocks against the 1858 Remington is that the cylinder tends to bind on the cylinder pin as the pistol gets fouled, and Bore Butter, or even some Crisco, helps keep that cylinder turning smoothly all day long. THE BRIGHT BLUING IS EVEN THROUGHOUT. WebArmi San Marco ASM 2nd Model Dragoon ASM 1847 Walker ASM 1849 Pocket ASM 1849 Wells Fargo ASM 1858 1863 pocket ASM 1860 Army ASM 1861 Navy ASM 1862 1849 Wells Fargo ASM 1873 Single Action ASM 1892 Categories Armi San Marco Beretta Pedersoli Uberti Pietta Armi Sport [Chiappa] IAB [Pedretti] Sharps KIRST The used value of an ARMI SAN MARCO pistol has fallen ($12.42) Have fun. There, you should find a roman numeral or two character alphabetical stamp. I love the old cap and ball revolvers. I do remember an article about this first revolver in that it was so exactly copied from an original that even experienced Colt collectors had difficulty in telling the prototype from an original. WebDescription: Remington Model 1858 New Model Army Revolver, .44 caliber. Well its interesting still. Then you must like AWA Peacekeepers (made by Armi San Marco), right? STAINLESS FINISH SHOWS MINISCULE HANDLING WEAR. But, Armi Sport is still in business (under a new name). Click on the "Full Description" fore more info. The conversion cylinder is indeed just a part, and can be bought anywhere any time any place. If were arbitrarily going to pick a time period of weaponry that makes you a true hunter, lets go caveman. Anyone know of a cylinder made for it? Black Powder Revolver Manual. -drop safety-Hammer - Z52778, A. Uberti & C. Cattleman 1873 Fine. I might be wrong about this! THE .44 Spec. Didn't happen though. The ball is further squeezed when it enters the forcing cone. It is all nickle, less the cylinder and plunger, which are gold, and a walnut grip. These models have steel frames with German silver plated backstrap and trigger guard, inspectors cartouche on grip, and trade for approximately $20-$40 higher than standard He carried a nickel plated 8 Remington 1858 and a peacemaker. .44 Caliber 8in Blued Octagonal Barrel Brass Guard Walnut Grip Steel Frame Top Strap/Post Sights Overall Length: 14.5in Weighs: 2.75 pounds Model: FR18582 WHY CUSTOMERS CHOSE THIS ITEM Specifications Questions & Years ago ASM had some fine artisans..the guns were good.ASM was under the direction of the Son in Law of Aldo Uberti. Action functions fine., s/n 0181xx. One reason is I am new to bp and have no one to ask for help. Take that, and cross reference it the list below. The 1858 Remington is a single-action, cap-and-ball percussion revolver, usually .44 caliber, although versions were also made in both .31 and .36 calibers. In the .44 version, each of the six chambers can hold up to 40 grains of black powder. Actually percussion caps come in different sizes. Not only is that the right way to hunt, deer that go down fast and clean taste better. They are the Edsel of. If youre not lucky, then youve got a tear in your femoral artery and only a few minutes to stop the bleeding before youre introduced to Eliphalet Remington at that great gun factory in the sky. Although original 1858s were finished in a very uniform blue, I particularly like the color-case hardening on the frame and the plain-jane, oil-finished grips. A standard 1858s barrel measures eight inches. Im 75, so I move a bit slower than earlier today. Ill stick to smokeless powder firearms from now on (because Im lazy!). WebRemington Rolling Block; Remington Lee; 1865 Springfield (1st Allin) 1866 Springfield (2nd Allin) 1868-70 Springfield (50/70) 1873-1889 Springfield (45/70) 1873 Winchester; 1885 Winchester; 1895 Winchester Lee Navy; Winchester Hotchkiss; Winchester Model 61; Winchester Model 62; Winchester Model 86; Winchester Model 90/06; Winchester Nothing wrong with meat harvesting or game management, says a fellow Texan. Grips for the Uberti 1873 Cattleman El Patron Grizzly Paw New Model as well as the 1860 and 1872 Colt army made by Cimarron, Pietta and Uberti. But its not hunting. The conversion cylinders are also not regulated, so you can get all of those you want and no one has any record of it.. (Of course, if you want the value of a gun to quadruple, just buy it from me and wait five years.) could easily have the hammer slip off his thumb, and and fall into the Half-Cock Notch, This almost always broke off a sixteenth of an inch off the tip of the sear, and using this rough edge to fire the piece, made for a very rough trigger release! Or something like that. Ihave been thinking about getting one of these for a while, I have a question. Retail $300. Put the caps in the back and shoot. Price Realized: Details Payment Terms Shipping. They make the guns for different companies and the workmanship is terrible. ). For more recent exchange rates, please use the. 1873 Single Action Manual. View more auctions here. Looks a lot like the Ruger. Perfect for display and target shooting. Most folks shoot them with charges down in the 20-grain range. As neat as that would seem it can also be a curse.