2. Some points for and against. Thanks iterateCGI, from the start we thought it will be best to expose the issues publicly, so other cg 3D sellers can see for themselves what they are exposed to when dealing with Turbosquid. Most people don't care a bit about all this. (e.g. Having a direct link/communication is also critical in detecting possible needs and potential new business. This industry really needs a giant hub were al CGpeople (weather young and inexperienced ore diehard veterans) can communicate, learn, trade, fundraise and collaborate. I ran my test with "characters" and displayed 128 models on one page. @Supercigale, this is worrying to read, i think such things shouldn't happen. The first thing you see is almost only 3D printing assets. You can download any 3d model in all popular 3d formats including MAX, OBJ, FBX, 3DS, STL, C4D, BLEND, MAYA and other. The Ts model does not support such thing and is not up to the task of modern time needs for this industry. Contact your Shutterstock Customer Success Manager, + blend c4d xsi ma lwo 3ds dae dxf fbx obj X, + c4d unitypackage upk max ma c4d max ma fbx max, $10,000 in Legal Protection (Indemnification), Uncapped Legal Protection (Indemnification), $1,000,000 in Legal Protection (Indemnification), $250,000 in Legal Protection (Indemnification). For example, I ran into this this morning. Same with copyright infringements, same with low quality models (a friend of mine bought recently a model here, which was supposed to be .OBJ compatible : but the seller had just exported the obj from its original program, without even editing the mtl file to have the textures loaded automatically ! CGT is the only website that really understand both the artists and customer needs! i guess both have different orientationone is cg and one is 3d printing oriented. It is all about customer reputation and perception. because CGTrader team quickly investigate and decided to remove the bad Feeback. Because of its design and trade/royalty system, CGTrader seems better and more advantageous, but at the end of the day, I get much more income from Turbosquid and The3Dstudio. It makes you blind and clueless to how a customer is actually using your product and how well it integrates in his business and future activities. There are very few modelers out there who can actually support themselves financially doing this and whenever one of us sells anything it is a little like winning the lottery. Change Method. Animated Lion 3D Model 14. What's lacking? Don't know if it's already mentioned in this thread, but in TS you have a refund system, when customer buyed your product has ability to bring back his money and it'll subracted from your earnings, if he doesn't like a model for some reason. I don't know if that is still the case ( and I have no desire to check ) but that is advertising that is hard to beat. Regarding response time, i respond to my buyers within 10 minutes unless im in bed and someone from other part of the world is trying to reach me. My sales are not still on par with TS, but I haven't published new models for quite some time, because I only have time to create models to enter challenges from time to time. If CGT wants to play big and attract high quality traffic and designers/buyers, it has to invite the sellers to opt for a more mature approach in my humble opinion. but outside of the fact cgtrader is 95% designers and 5% customers its way better and easier to use more professional looking and feeling. I left the turbosquid from Diamond level . I'm just an end-user, one of the people you guys sell to, and the site is a large part of the issue, in multiple ways. My personal experience, having had a short stint as a 3d print seller on Turbosquid, is that they paint with way too broad a brush when it comes to potential IP infringement. I could go on and on, it kept me puzzled. What would be your opinion? Turbosquid just has it backwards. I would expect those kinds of charges from a real art gallery with real world space that could sell my work for 10,000 a pop, not some virtual space that sells my work for 50 bucks. I really enjoy the chance to get to know other people's opinions and experiences regarding how they sell, network and do business and that is something I have only been able to do here on CGT. While sellers will be disadvantaged in many interests. Dear adentonclark, Bangalore Escort In something limonadinis says is true, but I agree with tomislavveg. But if you are on Turbosquid as an exclusive sale (models will be sold only on the website TurboSquid), Cgtrader can lose and this position, in favor of TS Turbosquid is butt ugly and greedy, I hope when CG gets bigger than TS, they don't end up the same way. Build your own Brand with your own criteria and goals. https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/character/woman/female-hand-realistic https://www . Payment Method In response he founded this place on the core principal that the artist would come first. Add a Payment Method, Add a Payment There are currently no models in your cart. Anybody else suffered the same blows to their sales in the same months as the web updates? Brittney Yes, @limonadinis, I agree with you. Absurd as it may sound, a lot of customers doesn't even make a simple "XXXX 3D model" search and go to Turbosquid just because that's a name they heard before. Renderosity. What I eventually hope to have is a healthy fair open market place, where collaboration , communication, people empowerment and evolution prevails over control systems, central power structures, monopolistic thinking, and maintaining of a status qou. I don't think it's possible to have WORKING site with both 3d printing and classic models. See this GFXHub where you needed to pay a fee before you could download 3d models of Humster3d, Turbosquid and many other. I'm planing to start new discussion on this topic in near future, so i won't go into details here, i'll just ask did anybody tried to enter same keywords in TS and CGT search field? Comment goo's like this, quote "Awesome model, converted this guy over into maya and he looks great" end quote. To me this was a sign that people know about CGt and that users have at least two accounts. Yes, sometimes your points are not displayed for a day or two, but there were problems with the rating of models. They say you can price things anyway you want but then they take down your models if they do not agree with how you price them. Marius knows this very well as he (whenever he can) communicates whit us. Even when Ts would sell more models it does not mean they serve you well, because it is not. Thus by searching to widen its audience, the buyer only decrease the site credibility. I have it is about 5%. And for good sales you don't need to be there neither because its just your own clients you swing to them. This is a totally separate "operation" that is going on under the acquisitions of CGstudio and T3DFM, which serve also as noisy cover to "wag the dog". [quote]2. CGtrader website is much bather coded and it just need some time to get on top. ,,Checkmate,, from TS was actually invented by Jonathan Lloyd, the person who ruined Pixel SQUID :). Sales site defending exclusivity trying to find ways to seduce (like the famous CheckMate) but this has no return. For myself, long live CGTrader and may they keep their principles as they grow. - Do you think that a company like Turbosquid, managed by/for corporate funding with clear monopolistic intentions is more likely to improve your situation as a content creator in the future? I'm about to bail on this site now - unless I can find any other topics that I might be qualified to post toapparently if I'm friendly enough I can earn some points, but it's seriously unlikely that I'll find any topics to which I can actually contribute. During all these years we always felt Turbosquid favored a sort of chaos and unfair competition between sellers because they were profiting a lot from that lack of understanding and cooperation between content creators. To my repliers: I have no problem with a site offering an option for seller/buyer to find quality print-ready products. Get this item for $ when you bundle it with the items in your cart. He bought a cheap product (with a fake account) and post a bad rating. No matter what the Wisdoms offer you now, they will make you pay x10 later once they are done with their competitors (again). Honestly, who wants to buy nudes anyway? Those are very interesting ideas to develop for the future. You are just providing a platform." Especially if the buyer asks to change something in the configuration of models or to clarify details. Buyer can contact seller directly, which can save him/her lot's of time and frustrations. It's an example of waste of human recourses and time, because how many more are performing this same conversion work without telling? Work directly with a 3D artist for your project. flob3d: I don't know if Jonathan invented the CheckMate, but what I can say is that Jonathan is a good professional and he often helped me a lot, so I have no complaints to make. I really think that a "designer good practices charter" or something like that could help. - Limiting free objects to, let's say licensed objects like Stars Wars or Lego or whatever in an unlimited number, but to a few when it comes to "showcase" objects, let's say, 4 to 5 per designer, to help potential buyer judge the overall quality of the seller objects Unlike Turbosquid which has remained practically the same since it was created and that actually has become dodgier over time as they have been adding more and more hoops for artists to jump through just to upload a basic model CGT has been great about constantly listening to it's artists needs and made great improvements! @IndieArt : So you definitively think that CGtrader's "change of focus" to 3D print sunk your sales? Maybe they would understand that sellers can't be treated as slaves. We finally have some real genuine completion for the best sales platform. This is why I would opt for a system which includes human sorting out capabilities. My current store on CGTrader includes numerous items that were deemed to be infringing upon GW IP (link below). TS removes this rating. In this case you could say (in a nutshell) CGt is (at its core) acting as a hub providing file hosting and transaction services, and it can basically do so whit everything digital. Chat with Support 24/7 Let me explain - I like the look of the models here, but the site is even designed so end users, like me, can't even download more that 10 "free" items unless they've uploaded models of their own, written tutorials, posted topics to the forum (which is difficult if you're not an actual modeler) and/or jumped through about 1,500 other ridiculous hoops to get enough "reputation" points. i like the points system on cg trader . This is not a "fight" between NoneCG and Turbosquid, but a struggle between different ways of doing business: the classic closed market or a more open one based on a Fair Business model and full comunication between the producer, the marketer and the customer. We left TS account and getting occasional spam regarding the prices from them. A few months went by with my models offline and during that time my GCt sales gradually went up at a level consistent with the few sales I had left behind on Ts so I just deleted all my models at Ts. It is also my favorite 3D site but some things need to be fixed before they can overtake some of the other sites. I left all but . @captainmarlowe Thanks a lot for a lot of valid points regarding search and categorization! When someone uploads a scanned model for 3D printing and tags it as "low poly", the model will appear even where it shouldn't. When you just start out you have to price your models at 1 dollar or give them away for free but the second you start selling well they take your models offline and force you to raise your prices Once you raise your prices nobody buys and you are back to square 1. I was thinking of ok if the ts is shit why not using other marketplace with the cgt specially if both accept selling in other marketplace, You have zero 3D models uploaded here. We can help here by simple putting the links to our work on our social media. When a buyer leaves a bad rating for a lame reason , TS investigate and contact the buyer and if he doesn't give a serious explanation, When I started on cgtrader I had more sales than on TS. We previously sent you final warnings about your non-compliance with our Best Prices policy. Work directly with a 3D artist for your project. - Once in a while, alert all designers that a cleaning operation will be made, and wipe out objects that are of a too bad quality or copyright infringements. Maybe they think Ts provides almost same model but its just better, etc. Maybe there is something behind the scenes what you can't know or can't tell? CGTrader has a good plateform for selling already licensed things files but not selling the licence,your trapped into owning the licence. [a=http://www.google.com] google6[/a] I have to agree. 3. CGTrader remains a young and very responsive team and listening to members - it's a great quality. with the recent requirements to upload a 3D product on TS, CGT became my number one no doubt, i'm not gonna wast half my life rendering turntables that wouldn't make much of a difference when every seller is doing the same thing. just 2 years ago still existed. A rig is like a skeleton of a 3D model, which lets you move and pose it with little effort. Login to PayPal to add your account as a payment method. IT'S A WASTE OF TIME. you should check out all the posts about 3D models quality. At least some aspects of it. Same for me, here. Imagine if CGtrader provided a service where they could get photos of the broken mug, then have some artists create a 3D version from the broken pieces and then have it printed for the client and sent to their house or if the client wants they can use their 3D printing company of preference to do it. 3D Bala - Female Rigged Character 3D model ma, ma, obj, and fbx TurboSquid : , , 3D . Here only I have doubts it would be fair to do do is a difference of 20..25% in the price of its models, which are intended for sale in the CGT and TS? I know I personally would be Heh.. that's another topic but my top selling model is nude. Thank you again! They don't allow you to communicate with the customer, with Turbosquid support acting as a "human firewall" (and a bad one) that is constantly supervising every interaction to ensure that Turbosquid always gets the best outcome (and neither the seller nor the customer). A good platform should integrate all next gen communication technologies in order to support curent evolution and technological progress. I'm just an end-user, one of the people you guys sell to, and the site is a large part of the issue, in multiple ways. I'm a bit afraid there's always going to be issues that leaves this community divided, leaving CGpeople with a platform not able to live up to its full potential and leaving 3D print people with a platform not living up to its full potential either. They recently changed their search engine over there and when you search for Free models it comes up with a few free ones and many more paid ones so from that perspective Turbosquid makes your life even harder lol. This is due to discrimination in the pricing policy of the "TS" site. I will leave the items here to see if cg trader does manage to change things around over the next 12 months and if not will simply sell them on turbosquid. Both are still growing, but it seems CGtrader is growing much more. According to TS "Marmoset Toolbag's watermark" is an overlay and a no no. Animated Camel 3D Model 13. Marius Kalytis (founder of this place) was a 3D artist himself and took notice of the questionable policy's the established market had adopted (leaving room to do it differently). On top of that they have so many odd restrictions and hoops you need to keep jumping through just to make your model visible and people end up having to buy diamond accounts because they know they won't sell a single model unless they do. It is a shame that cg trader has so few people using it but turbosquid has been going for some time now and is very well established. Search Filter Free products only Discount Formats Free products only Reset filters Free AFAIK buyers right to be refunded is protected by law. First of all make great and spectacular models for it and promote it on forums, facebook, linkedin groups and forums. "This is new era, time of old fashioned corporatism is going to be over. Sometimes you have to support the buyer. Also could you elaborate on the search and going backwards issue? Term of Use on www.turbosquid.com. I think that subsequently only large studios and squidguild members will remain there" Why should the artist suffer? For me CGTrader is the best and CGTrader has the best structure of a 3d site !!! I'm not a modeler, I come here to buy models and this site is surprisingly obtuse when it comes to layout. Chat with Support 24/7 If you manage to get lots of buyers on there you could make a real fortune. That is where the true value of 3D is today but unless someone can show the masses that this kind of thing can be done at a reasonable price ,(based on market value), then 3D will continue to be a half dead market until it will die completely because robotics have reached an advanced stage where they will soon be able to replace artists. 3D is great for creating things that can restore old products. Please don't get impression that i'm trying to bash CGT, i don't i favor CGT over TS any day, but i want that they up their game in this concurent buisness. You can upload a 20 mb large model here with 3 formats, 20 photos, 100 wording text, 20 tags in around 20 minutes. Check my store https://apkvisa.com/dungeon-quest-mod-apk/, Very motivating and supportive too.Hope you keep on sharing a greater amount of your ideas. You could have a superman body with an iron man head and spiderman gloves. There are lots of fun ways can gain points on cg trader . Searching for specific terms applying to a specific model, the results on Google are nearly on first page. I think CGTrader just has to advertise itself more.. everything else will fall into place.. CG traders designer rank rep points. We can't even communicate on Ts, and that in an age of supper connectivity, it's just the world on his head. What I read on different forums seems obvious, exclusivity no longer pays. Hi guys, thanks so much for your very valuable comments, they are much appreciated and we are very happy to work with you in order to make CGTrader the best place for 3D designers! It is likely that people will want to try out new things in their stores from time to time. Hi adentonclark, It is pretty difficult to find what you want but if you are only looking for free models then CGTrader's search engine is far better than Turbosquid. tax on top of a high 60% that TS keeps. You have insufficient credit to complete your purchase. At the time my CGt account was not performing so well and it enforced that belief (it was probably due to longer presence and better position on Ts and new on CGt). Spider-Man (Rig) for Maya Shaders is a new section that we recently added. My friend didn't get any support. There are very few modelers out there who can actually support themselves financially doing this and whenever one of us sells anything it is a little like winning the lottery. Apart from this it would be nice to have a system that promotes collaborative action to make the products themselves better. Most small or midsized companies I worked with, did their best to cap their scene polygons at no more 500,000 all models included. Luckily, non of my sells on TS were refunded so far and i had 3 refunds on CGT, 2 of them was caused by technical reasons from CGT side. They already sell 3D printers on amazon so it isn't a far stretch to just add the models in the suggested items that go with 3D printers. CGtrader is just better in all possible ways. That thing is just getting started ;-). when cgtrader change his frontpage i stop selling products bad :(. Contact your Shutterstock Customer Success Manager, + blend c4d xsi ma lwo 3ds dae dxf fbx obj X, $10,000 in Legal Protection (Indemnification), Uncapped Legal Protection (Indemnification), $1,000,000 in Legal Protection (Indemnification), $250,000 in Legal Protection (Indemnification). Yep.. Rigged models are great for art projects, games, movies or VR experiences, because they save a lot of development time. @tomislavveg, on the one hand i agree with you about that, but on the other hand if i would be looking for models i would almost certainly choose TS as my first choice and most likely as a last one before buying. We will only contact you if there's a problem with an order. And also because of the complete isolation of the seller-buyer. So what I did was simply adding the 60% cut to the product on Ts. We had the experience of a 3d modeling agents (UKW) stealing our models before and stopped selling with them, from there on we put a small signature on each model. Such an arrogant attitude. Considering it as a seller, CGTrader is NOT better because I have almost no sales at all while I have about 10 sales every month on TS. Large studios with "turbosquid" collaborate very limitedly. Then there is the stupid "reputation" point issue. Lots of people buy posters to print and put on their walls especially students. Open a Support Ticket, Licensing questions?Contact your Shutterstock Customer Success Manager. Unless you have a huge ass :) You can not keep all aspects of these markets covered, so you will only be average on all of them or even worse. Buyers tend to look for things based on the category and budget and like to be able to put two products side by side to compare them and get a better understanding of why one is better than the other or which product is more suitable for them as an individual. Plus, if you express constructive ideas on the forums, you know you'll get listened to. Not artist friendly at all, from uploading to statistics (Model views, downloads, and so on). TS management is by far the worst in history, they are great at Hostile take overs, yet bad at dealing with the realities of industry, i stopped all my affiliate links with TS and right now i'm sharing only the links for my products on CGT and Art station. Exclusivity to any marketplace has been proved a revenue loss. Sometime buyer in frustration just leave bad review on the model for issues that can be solved easily, but since he cant contact seller he thinks he cant do anything about it and he wasted his money. A own store where you can fill your offers with stuff found in the large pool would account for a thumbs up for the people hoes products get placed in those stores. I agree that these two parts - CG and 3D printing should be split at least externally/ visually. For small buyers this is likely the case, but serious corporate buyers may have other priorities atop of lowest price. Another thing that makes CGT better than TS is the friendships that one is able to make within the artist community. Get this item for $ when you bundle it with the items in your cart. Gumroad is an awesome virtual marketplace where artists can create their own store and sell any type of digital asset, from textures to tutorial series. I'll ask my friend to get in touch with you for the unsolved support, as I think it is him who has to do that - not me. They customize those figures anyway you want. Another thing that drove me crazy about Turbosquid was how you couldn't promote any of your social media and it made it very difficult to get your clients from let's say Facebook and Twitter to notice your artwork. Hopefully we can find a way that would plrase all sides. The other issue is that Turbosquid has been out there for longer. For example, I ran into this this morning. We are currently working to redesign the homepage to show off both CG and 3D print ready models. Then there is the stupid "reputation" point issue. Another point in favor cgtrader is that the royalties and buy a model possible in the payment system WebMoney. Having too many high poly models in 1 scene can considerably slow down rendering times, work flow and even crash your computer making the entire scene unusable. Currently on a tight budget, would lose a substantial cut to pay for software licenses and hardware. The fact that you can upload models immediately rather than waiting 3 months for them to get reviewed by some random people that won't have the time + the website design and the community inside CGTrader. I sell my shipping container which is professional model according to my buyers reviews . I have met a bunch of really good artists here that I have had the pleasure of working with. Site itself must have significant changes to make it more attractive and more convenient to buyers, especially big buyers. If you're searching for a regular model, you have to click on the little icon "CG models", but nothing changes on the page when you do so. (Edge So even if TS takes 60%, I still make better profit there because here I get 94% of nothing. Honestly I feel that it would be better to sell n bit slower that to have your models stolen. Please let us know if you have any feedback. google3 And it is convenient for the buyer and profitable for the seller. Besides how about your right to fair trade? I hope someone someday will take the concept behind old cgtrader A client would normally ALWAYS choose a cheaper price, that's a law of nature. All because of search. By registering you confirm that you have read and accept ourTerms of Use. I don't get paid until the 3rd, but I thought I'd download some things, look at their quality, fill up a cart and get prepared to purchase when the money comes around. I will search on TS and when found right model I will maybe look at cgtrader if there is that same model for cheaper. CGtrader is everything Ts is not, CGtader is fair, its open and communicative in all directions, its an inexpensive service, its new and more efficient, has lots of exiting tools, have more sales and get to keep bigger part, its growing fast, its updating and improving fast, etc, etc,.