Less than a year later I found a scat on the swamp range and I was working at the time with a fellow at the Michigan wildlife habitat Federation. Incredible sighting and I called him the fish and game and they immediately sent me to a website to look at all the bobcat pictures. Peter Biello: Well yeah. Is there a way we can learn more about these dispersing mountain lions that may travel through the Granite State and that I would ask you certainly part about whether or not a he's spending too much time chasing down these kind of false leads or B would rather be doing something else that is more informative to whether or not we actually have or can prove that we have dispersing mountain lions in the state. Mountain lions ( Puma concolor) are one of the six native species of wild cats in North America. The big cat has been extinct here since the mid-1800s. For me as a person who's handled many bobcats and looked at many pictures Bobcat the White chin Bobcat right off is what comes out to me and then the black the the roughs on our Bobcats we'll have sometimes have black fringes on them. The great thing about pictures isn't the animal itself it's the background. About Lions. Rick van de Poll: Rick van de Poll so I was a non-believer as well. I've actually had to walk in on one or two now and look at what was going on and figured out what was going on. Your support makes this news available to everyone. Caller: Hi. Yeah 13 to 15 years ago 13 to 15 years ago. Mountain lions leave a lot of sign. Rick your thoughts. Sunny today high temperatures low to mid 80s it'll be clear tonight overnight lows in the 50s for tomorrow sunshine with high temperatures mid to upper 80s. Women control our lives. So one thing I'll add we're talking about natural dispensers but talking with the conservation officer in the 1980s they recall going to a residence telling a person you can live here but your mountain lion can't. And I can recall its information but I can't confirm or verify anything. So take care of this problem. I believe I saw one that's fine and I'm not looking for an immediate story. Thank you very much for being here. The second one was not only fresh but when I actually put my hand on it it was you know smelled like cat and I it's there's no denying a fresh mountain lions get if you can tell it every story that KOAT. And what was really remarkable about the whole thing was I was maybe a half mile down on all buildings. I would just suggest that in my experience as a reporter covering this covering this issue for a few years at least at what point do we reach a certain critical mass for lack of a better term of accounts where I'm not to suggest that you guys aren't taking this possibility seriously. Long before NASA was asked to put a man on the moon one engineer had already figured out how to get there. They get a lot of media attention but compared to the the amount of times that a mountain lion could attack a person but doesn't because they don't typically view us as prey. So Marty can you see what I'm getting at is the public sees different names and thinks that they're different animals but it's all the same animal. It was not a bobcat. SUE Morse naturalist and science director for the organization keeping track. But my experience was that the majority of these accounts could not be taken lightly. They sent he sent his scent those two samples with his to Wyoming an unfortunate Fish and Game Commission there did not get a positive read on it but send it back to Central Michigan University where they did a nuclear micro satellite DNA analysis and found no significant difference between that scat and other scats that were tested from the Rocky Mountain region. The second story window through about 30 feet away from it. She was having a garden party on her back porch and everybody in the party saw this mountain lion across the field down below the porch. Patrick Tate: Martin Like what about Panther Panther saying animals same animal and like a bit of trivia Guinness Book of World Records says the animal with the most names is in English alone they're supposedly 40 names for Mount lion. It's not a skinny rope like tail like a housecat. You know I'm like seriously I can't get a picture of the thing but what it what it is. Here it is. It's unfortunate that that kind of thing happens as often as it does. I just saw the head and the tail that was leaving. Ive received pictures of dogs at odd angles, says Tate. So I would put this in the category of sort of like shark attacks right. He told me that on one of his many scouting trips for Black Bear he found a deer carcass up in a tree. Give today. Peter Biello: So if they were female mountain lions here they would be more males just because that's what they're looking for. Mountain lion or cat running across. So I did a bunch of research and all the documentation I found was there art are not any pieces of DNA of Eastern online. Monday, December 5th: Mountain Lions in New Hampshire? And that the Florida panther was more closely related to the eastern outline than the western mountain lion was. Fish and Game then deny the evidence. The way that we define species has undergone a revolution with the advent of DNA testing. John if you're still on the line here I was going to I don't. So maybe a good pet for you but not for your neighbor if you just stop by unannounced. I'll send it to you. I didn't see him online. I just don't understand the mechanism for how that would happen. Thanks for your call. Just. Well let's talk a little bit about that. Yes and you want to share what you learned. That's why we always go back to the physical evidence to support what they're reporting. And it's not really strong. The views expressed in this program are those of the individuals and not those of an HP are its board of trustees or its underwriters. Residents Report Mountain Lion Sighting By Elysia Rodriguez Published August 11, 2015 A southern New Hampshire neighborhood believes a mountain lion is roaming the woods near their homes. We actually have the largest subspecies of bobcat in the northern part of our state which they can get up to 40 and over 40 pounds which looks like an 80 pound the animal to visually and quite large. Really appreciate it. Peter Biello: Thank you for sharing that. I have no doubt that there are mountain lion roaming New Hampshire. And I was probably about a half a mile from downtown all village on the right. And a lot of people around the county airport have seen a lot of pilots coming in said they saw huge. Some argue that it's a leap of faith. Phone number 1 800. Sam Evans-Brown: But I mean the video I had been sent was you know a recording of a animal growling but it was in slow motion and when I asked the person why is this in slow motion the denied that it was so there's a lot of weird stuff that happens in regards to people claiming they've seen they've seen these things. Peter Biello: This is the exchange on an HD PR fine Peter Biello and today we're talking with folks who can tell us about the mysterious elusive mountain line and whether or not it is actually here in New Hampshire. Peter Biello: And Carl before you continue I think Patrick Tate just give me a second. Post your sightings and NH photos here! Well I can't tell you what you saw. If you believe you have seen a mountain lion and want to report it to NH Fish and Game, please contact the Wildlife Division at (603) 271-2461 or wildlife@wildlife.nh.gov to request an observation report form. Chartered: 1973 . And trying to figure out the little pieces to identify him so I bring up the names the differences but the appearances can be confusing for some. Yeah I did. So I just throwing that out there it's interesting. I would say that there's going to be the truth in here somewhere. Patrick Tate: So I agree with what Sam said in part that their ability to go undetected for amount of time but ultimately it was detected. So so. Peter Biello: Well hey Rob. Give today. A 140-pound male mountain lion was hit by a car and killed in 2011 in Milford, Connecticut. Patrick Tate: I don't believe it is. And so. 44-H Links. Caller: I got home to my wife that a gene that you should have seen the cat. I'm Peter Biello. That's the real story is they can't follow up on every one of these sightings. Tonight, Sean McDonald investigates,. We'll also hear your stories if you have them again. Here she is talking about how to identify a mountain lion. The tail leave is a giveaway but not everybody gets to see the tail. No evidence and other states where Mountain lights have turned up. Join as a $8 per month sustainer and get our brand-new owl umbrella! So the U.S. Forest Service Rocky Mountain Research Station has a database on mountain lion and they can identify. Deer Bear Moose Wolves Fisher Mountain Lions. But but I've also seen it cited the opposite way that look they're very secretive. I saw the tail end of a literally from behind the shoulder The Long Tail mountain lion crossing the highway going from Password to often Village downtown. So it is possible to see male Mountain lions roam into the northeast - there was one hit by a car in CT a number of years back - but we don't have a breeding population of Mountain lions in New England. And when provoked no animal could stand before him elegantly put. We're going to talk a little bit more about habitat first but then we'll get into sightings. So we tossed these terms around but really the term subspecies has been sort of redefined in our lifetimes. Today she talked with us a little bit before the show about why the mountain line is so compelling and why we want it to be part of our world. Yes. Patrick Tate: I've from all the situations I've read and learned about wildlife. Sandy Hodskins, owner of West Meadow Farm in Bradford, New Hampshire, took time from shoveling Wednesday to enjoy the snow with her horse, West Wind. Were there any differences between these two that we could have noticed right off. So I think the point that I just want to get across is that there is a very strong sense this here in the and not region that there is that there is some sort of mountain lion population how large it is how extensive it is. And I think a lot of folks would like them to be around. So. Peter Biello: Well Karl Jarvis a former reporter for The King's son Nile thank you very much for for calling in and sharing your perspective and to his point Patrick T. I mean yes we haven't met the scientific burden of proof here in New Hampshire as far as physical evidence is is concerned but is there room at Fish and Game For A kind of an informal nod to all of the people who have somehow convinced themselves and possibly some others that yeah there may be occasional sightings here. And so so with their limited staff and limited budget that is that is more and more limited every year because you know fewer people are buying hunting and fishing licenses. Caller: Well I think Patrick I recognized your name. I think as Pat was saying you know 35 to 50 pounds on a male be reasonable range whereas mountain lions you're up to 100 110 maybe even 130 pounds on a big male. It's good to talk to you. Peter Biello: So Patrick today Fish and Game no downward pressure on you to deny the existence at all costs of mountain lions here in New Hampshire. We'd love to have you in the queue. PublishedNovember 16, 2018 at 6:16 AM EST. No I saw a camel. Information online ad an age student loans dawg. Well just that I have evidence and it was not it was denied by fishing game at the time and I you know there's I don't need to prove to anybody that I saw one just like some of your callers said okay. On a dirt road. Do you get a lot of these these these things that end up being hoaxes. Patrick Tate New Hampshire Fish and Game Wildlife Biologist thanks very much for being here this morning really appreciate it.