Early in the investigation, the hairs found in the car were sent (in glass slides) to several laboratories including the FBIs. Discuss and express opinion; stop short of asserting that those of the other view (that of judge and jury, at least) are ignorant of facts and wrong, and youre right, because by definition its reasonable for lay people to accept the jury verdict. I believe this woman murdered Joann and Alex. Conflicting versions. Addressing Patricia Prue, Judge Robert Bent said the sentence of life without parole was "fitting" since she was a full participant in the crime. The fat cow is guilty as hell and I hope she continues to have the shit kicked out of her in prison every day of her useless life. Sure theres DNA, but if she truly is innocent then why not advocate to find the gun. Locked up. Perhaps she used more than one gun using another/others for the target shooting than the one she killed with (and others shot with her?) And then in their zealous efforts to show their ire, feel the need to suggest anyone who supports her is deluded.. So we can just pretend that everyone is honest all of the time? She was also accused of breaking into barns, stealing horses, and underfeeding the ones she owned. Immediately after getting out of prison in the year 2000, Larry wrote a detailed letter stating that he lied about his sisters involvement in the death of her husband. ST. JOHNSBURY A three-year nightmare for the loved ones of Melissa Jenkins is one step closer to ending. Maybe then you will see the wrongful conviction! "We will never again know the joy and love we knew for 33 years," the letter stated. Then 31 years old, she had lived a rocky existence. Patricias defenders also say Andrew Katrinak staged the scene at his house by prying the door and cutting the phone line. Jenkins' violent death shocked residents of the Northeast Kingdom, including Gerta Blasczyk of St. Johnsbury. ALL IT THEN BECOMES IS A SOURCE OF INACCURACIES AND SPECULATION, WHICH ONLY SERVES TO BOLSTER THOSE WITH THAT MENTALITY AND PERPETUATE THE LACK OF TRUTH. Under supervision of a doctor, 39 hair specimens were removed, recorded and logged. Narcissistic and violent tendencies are very common. Anyway, there are thousands of people who differ from that belief, that is why there is so much controversy surrounding this case, and that is why there have been numerous convicted people in the past whove been exonerated on appeal. Your position Ive read a lot, Im right; you disagree with me, Ill say youre a moron. How about the mix up with the hair and the fact that it was not forensically tested (outside of the one man who compared the hairs through naked eye). Had there been a switch? You can PM me please, this way you can update your article with the correct information. I have never seen anything this egregious in all my years.. Any subsequent proof emerging and then revealed in a book or documentary is surely something that should be taken seriously and investigated if necessary. And its argued that it has been and dismissed as insignificant or irrelevant. "As horrible as Ms. Jenkins death was, it should stand for something," Marsicovetere said. Search it out and check for yourself. The LAPD alleged that Patricias motive was to get Jeromes insurance money, which had a value of $30,000. Two problems, then: a failure to see your own position as you see others (failure to comprehend irony), and failure to understand the difference between fact and opinion. More likely it reflects a relative reluctance to execute females as well as the pendency of what will be the last episode of DNA investigation. (A good point. Interesting points thanks for writing in (and, yikes, those poor deer that starve to death). Jerry Browns office. And dance instructor William Jarrett couldnt remember whether she attended his dance class at the club the night of Joanns disappearance. The defense argued that the 911 call is not clear and that Said was targeted by investigators because he is a Muslim. There was a blood-stained fingernail and hair found on the victims body, and even though (in Keith Morrisons Dateline documentary) the Asst. To prove it 110% rather than just 99% I dont know why they wouldnt retest the hair fibers etc. Prosecution leader McIntyre, when interviewed, laughingly dismissed him as a nut in an effort to trivialise Traupmans input. Owens and her sister, Connie Moggio, entered the courtroom together. Angry that Joann hung up on her, she stalked her for three days, then broke into her basement and cut the phone line, put a gun to Joanns head as she was placing Alex in the car, and forced her to drive to the rural area. The longer it took to find the bodies the easier it would be for her alibis to be believed as it wouldve been harder for people to remember if she was at a dance class etc that she regularly attended on that specific date. Let me simplify this for you in religion, one is taught there is a God. Both were deceased. I believe the answer to your question is in my comment above. 2}Wo).hf}~g={g::y]peb78R,;>59_'cuB F4QyU&9G=#0 (Nope. The difference between the cases was that the child was not injured and the individual wrote down the details of the plan in a notebook, but otherwise it seems extremely similar to me. Yaser had been on the FBIs Ten Most Wanted Fugitives list since 2014, according to CBS. One on one? And she called 911. They broke up in 1993. Not gender neutral. Aside from the hair, there was almost zero forensic evidence. Its perfectly understandable that one should feel sorry for the victims of this heinous crime. All of them returned without a DNA analysis because they contained no root material. Patricia Cole, a veteran copy editor whose sharp eye, quick wit and kind heart made her a cherished colleague at NPR and other news outlets, died on Friday at age 46, Owens called him "the devil" and said he deserved a punishment much tougher than life in prison. They were there in the winter months in which the bodies would have been frozen most of the time. Everyone lies. After her arraignment, she had to walk past a crowd of dozens of locals screeching hang her! and baby killer! Patricia clung to a Polaroid picture showing her and her own little girl. In recent years, she began to share key details about her past life in Pittsburgh to nursing home staff that led them to investigate. Judge Richard T. Fields will be presiding over the case and Public Defender Ruby Ramirez will be representing Patricia for the Riverside County Public Defenders Office. It is not necessary to the case against her that she owned the killing gun (and it would be foolish to have used it). Yaser Said is accused of killing his two teenage daughters Amina and Sarah in 2008. During the tour Alfey was able to slip away into a room that was made for a little boy. Patricia and her defense team denied that allegation and said she owned her home, had no financial "Most of the community feels bad for the child To see that in the United States bugs me. Im sorry Sally, I know you want someone to blame for the death of your daughter and grandson, but the person who actually killed her is serving a life sentence in another facility in Pennsylvania. I would have liked better her being put to death! The real killer is Rorrer! So where they alive somewhere, and if so how could of Patricia, who was questioned, with not one mark on her kill them? I would like to tell you that there is many errors in this article, that I would love to send to you the proof of each one. A Pennsylvania woman who went missing more than 30 years ago in a case that stumped authorities who later declared her legally dead has been found living in a nursing home in Puerto Rico. There was a blood-stained fingernail and hair found on the victims body, and even though (in Keith Morrisons Dateline documentary) the Asst. It says that Andrew Katrinak passed his lie detector test. If not, how could Andrew have obtained samples of Patricias hair if they apparently didnt meet up in person after Andrews marriage? Nobody said bodies were intact. She was falsely convicted of killing her husband when the Los Angeles Police Department reopened a 17-year-old cold case after coercing two witnesses to tape a confession pegging Patricia Wright and family friend Lawrence Slaughter as the killers. Most of your comment absolutely astonishes me. Owens said because of what Said did, she will never get to see her daughters grow up. Thank you Kerry. "The family has been very patient. Disagree with They would have no reason to protect Andrew and lie on her. From my point of view this is an extremely similar case, with less class and style, and without the luxurious details that Interpols case had, such as the involvement of an extremely expensive Alfa Romeo car, and a revolver bought at a lush auction in Paris, which had belonged to a duke before the incident. Patricia Owens called her ex-husband Yaser Said the devil for allegedly murdering their two daughters at his trial in Dallas on Aug. 4, 2022. Puny policy. Irving Police Chief Jeff Spivey hailed authorities for pursuing justice in the case for more than a decade. They also think she killed her first hubby Larry Ford as well. You took my family all in one night," she said. She believed she was chosen as one of Gods 144,000 bond servants on earth, and gave up all her other hobbies, such as dancing, to devote her life to spreading the word of God. The number of delusional people in this world both shocks and frightens me. There are those on this very site who express their disappointment she was not executed. They are total bs. Shes attracted the help of writer Tammy Mal (full name Tammy Malinowski OReilly), author of Convenient Suspect, a book about the case. Im quite happy to accept that ANYONE who makes a TV documentary makes it for money. Police need evidence of perpetration in every claimed case, and Sells is regarded as lying about some claimed murders per inability or unwillingness to detail. They found several specimens but not a single one was a match. It could be coincidence, but I really doubt it. I agree. Stevie J Further to my previous comment, I should add the following. Shes extremely, extremely happy with the baby. Patricia Prue also expressed remorse for her husband's actions. If Patricia drove it back from the murder scene after she shot Joann and then beat her to death, luminal would have lit up the interior. Charles Robert, the 3-month-old son she had with Gary Gabard, died of sudden infant death syndrome; Patricia found him blue in his crib. Go watch the Reasonable Doubt episode from last night Patricia did it. Another witness, Walter Traupman, who never testified, had told state troopers that on the day of Joanns disappearance, he saw a couple who looked like Joann and Andrew arguing about the paternity of a baby. He had an attractive new wife and beautiful baby boy. Yassein Saids sentencing has been set for June 4. The fact that Joanne was found with a hair clutched in her hand that was inconsistent with both her and Patricia (that they conveniently didnt bother to test). As to her duration on death row, no: inference cannot be made as to her guilt as theres a woman with about the same time (Holberg) and another with almost as much. Then you claim this is an opinion. I've been thinking about them the last two weeks every morning when I wake up and close my eyes," she said. Yaser Said was found guilty of killing his two daughters, 18-year-old Amina Said and 17-year-old Sarah Said, in 2008. I believe in Patricias innocence and she deserves to be freed, at last! Clifford Freeman, were you a juror? Patricia Rorrer has been portrayed as a bully, petty thief, neglectful horse owner, and heartless killer or a sweet, caring friend railroaded by authorities desperate to solve a double-murder case that snagged worldwide interest. Prosecutors say a 911 call from the night of the murders proves that Said is guilty. Hair we go. Perhaps that would lessen your fright. After reading this forum and hearing the details of this case, Iowa sure seems a lot fairer in my eyes. At the trial, prosecutor Michael McIntyre alleged that Patricia remained obsessed with Andrew Katrinak long after their breakup despite testimony that shed had many boyfriends and live-in lovers to occupy her bandwidth. "I don't have any mercy for that lady," Blasczyk said, referring to Patricia Prue. The Charley Project offers details of the womans life before she went missing: She walked throughout the city, approaching strangers and telling them shed had a vision of the Virgin Mary and the world was about to end. Patricias accusers theorized that she resented Joanns domestic bliss with the tall, athletic Andrew Katrinak. They had a son, Alex Martin, in August of 1994. Shes still guilty, with her hands did it or not, in regard to baby Alex. We were contacted by some individuals an agent from Interpol, as well as a social worker from Puerto Rico, that believed that they had her in an adult care home there in Puerto Rico, the deputy said during the press conference. Detective Barry Grube found it odd that Andrew fixed the severed phone line before police examined it in essence tampering with evidence. Theres speculation and theres lies period. They tested the hair last night on Reasonable Doubt using updated technology it is definitely Patricias. And James Pfeiffer and Jim Burke have remained on her side. pTq r |G.H=IO-I7`,|&m2tj1Lo;{~}squ_~zpMq7 The first rule of a murder is motive. Its an opinion learnt from a well-researched book, from documentaries which show and mention a great deal of facts and evidence which was never brought up at her trial. I cant lose them, he told the media. But then again I havent actually SEEN the evidence. SHE IS NOT GUILTY OF THESE CRIMES. Rorrer killed two peoplea young mother and her small child and thru the justice system got what the bitch deserved! So lets get going on the recap of the Forensic Files episode A Woman Scorned, along with extra information drawn from internet research: Joann Marie OConnor was born on Oct. 11, 1968, the youngest of Sarah and David OConnors four children. Someone had shot Joann in the face with a .22-caliber pistol, then beaten her about the head hitting her 19 times in all with a blunt object. Some two years into the investigation of Rorrer, a court order was obtained to remove hair specimens from her. On Aug. 31, 2011, at 11 a.m., Wrights family, the Action Committee for Women in Prison, and the FACTS community and supporters gathered in front of Gov. They told him that if he testified against his sister, Patricia, he would be able to get out of prison sooner. Andy passed not one but two polygraph tests and had a solid alibi. Suzanne Pearson fabricated quotes from Patricia including her claim that Patricia said, Im going to the electric chair upon her arrest because a conviction would boost Pearsons career. According to court documents, Patricia Owens, the victims mother and Saids former wife, told authorities that her son and Yaser Saids brothers indicated support for the killings and were not cooperative with law enforcement. She is a tough one, Sheriff Gerald Hege would later tell the Morning Call in a June 29, 1997 interview. Women murder for all kinds of reasons, but the simple facts come down to this.there was physical evidence, the bullet wound matched that of the gun Pat owned, the hairs were Pats and at both scenes, and she had no alibi and she had lied to try and come up with one.and lets not forget the damning words she spoke to her 18 month old daughter that the officer had the common sense to document. The authorities charged her with two counts of murder. Youre absolutely right!! She took out the woman who replaced her. Justice is about uncovering the truth. What they reported to us is that she came into their care in 1999 where she was found in need, in the streets in Puerto Rico, where she had been wandering around. Although the prosecution used it as evidence that she was trying to create a false alibi, it actually sounded more like Patricia was simply trying to nail down the facts he had already asserted to her. Nope. She never had anyone testify against her but an ex-boyfriend! I hope she suffers and goes insane from loneliness. They were people that knew her, not Andrew. They are a joke. I wonder, did they ever perform a DNA test on the baby, to verify paternity? I comment on these forums because they are the only places offering the opportunity to, hopefully, bring awareness to those whore unfamiliar with this case and her unfair plight. I come home one night, and shes just gone, and nobody knows where shes at, Bob Kopta, husband of Patricia Kopta, said at a press conference reported by Pittsburgh-based NBC affiliate WPXI. That poor child who grew up with no mom for absolutely no reason. Patricia Kopta eventually developed dementia, police said. "So it was relieving to get guilty verdict and get justice for these girls.". There are judges, eminent lawyers and writers who are in support of her. I attack only those whove considered themselves not only judges on this case, but go on to vent their spleen aimed at a person who in my opinion is innocent of this crime, based on all Ive read and watched without fear of retaliation If they so freely attack someone in the most vicious way, why should they be off limits? Yassein Said, 59, is guilty of conspiring to hide his older brother, Yaser Said, as authorities sought him in connection with the New Years Day slayings. He jumped at the opportunity with the understanding that the emphasis would be on Lawrence Slaughter and not his sister. Yet they insisted in the trial that the call came in on the 13th. Carter can be reached at ccarter6@gmail.com. WebThe prosecution said Patricia wanted Jeromes $30,000 life insurance policy. Her jealousy and rage because Joann told her to not contact her husband set her off. RR, Watch the Forensic Files episode on YouTube. By clicking Sign Up, I confirmthat I have read and agreeto the Privacy Policy and Terms of Service. You people are fighting a losing cause! I deduced my opinion to be fact because of what Ive read and seen and is supported by evidence which was never disclosed at her trial. But none of those charges ever stuck. Yaser Said had been on the FBIs Ten Most Wanted Fugitives list since 2014 in connection with the fatal shootings of his daughters, 18-year-old Amina Said and 17-year-old Sarah Said, on New Years Day 2008. You know the answer to that, the same as I do, which is. This story has been shared 114,982 times. Strands of the accuseds dyed-blond hair at two crime scenes proved it. Nataly is the lead writer on Curious Texas and a breaking news reporter. One of them from his ex-wife, Patricia Owens. Also why if beaten with a gun or with whatever, why was there no blood on the clothing? This woman killed and is where she belongs! Ive followed and made a study of this case for more than twenty years and have absolutely no doubt she was railroaded and wrongfully convicted. On December 12, 1994, Joann answered a phone call from a woman shed never met, Patricia Rorrer, her husbands onetime girlfriend. If I see anything that offers a differing opinion or is inaccurate, I think its entirely fair I should say my piece. Prosecutor pounds away. Within about seven months of Larry being placed in a maximum-security prison, the LAPD paid him a visit. All my comments have been vetted and approved by this sites organisers so how do you see yourself as the judge of whats acceptable or not? Theyre more than happy to exaggerate and speculate the details of the crime, which serves to attract more viewers who (like you) seem to be happy to believe it all. And this doesnt apply to your opinion learnt from a well-researched book, from documentaries which show and mention a great deal of facts and evidence which was never brought up at her trial. They dont need to make money??? Just as there is no such thing as the perfect murder, there is also no such thing as the perfect murder investigation. ), And in another bombshell, Joanns good friend Karen Devine said Joann planned to leave Andrew after the holidays. "Justice would have been the Irving Police Department doing their job," defense attorney Joe Patton said during closing arguments. Your somewhat convoluted explanation of discuss and express opinion, seems to ramble on and on without any logic or reason. Instead, he hid for 12 years until the FBI found him in a relatives home in Denton County. It showed her usually all-brown hair haphazardly highlighted blond. Patricia McCloskey pleaded guilty to misdemeanor harassment and was fined $2,000, while Mark admitted to misdemeanor fourth-degree He would be alive today if it were not for Patricia Rorrer. The mild-mannered Sarah died in 2019 at the age of 83. Patrica Owens, Yaser Said's ex-wife, testified before the jury Thursday morning and said why she fled her home with her daughters only to return days before they were I accept there are a couple of remarks which can be seen that way but they are in direct response to those whove been offensive in the first place. If you want to help her tell her to ask God for forgiveness. So whats your point (other than many people are stupid and you arent)? Why is this even a question, why people are trying to take out killers into society? She should have been treated exactly the way she treated that mother and baby, taken out into the woods, shot, beaten and then left to die. However, that first theory very neatly allows the cops to further theorise that the gun she once owned (which had a history of jamming after the first shot) was the one used at the murder. Women like Barbara Stager who killed her husband in Durham NC. so then using your contention, one who is deeply religious and sees God as being a factual figure is wrong? "You knew how the abduction would end," Bent said. no blood, no finger-prints and no soil evidence it was as if the car had been wiped clean stated the attending investigating police officer!That itself has to be considered highly suspicious and cast doubt on the hair evidence which WAS found. Looking at the pictures of the scene, after 4 months of the bodies being there allegedly, they were untouched? It wasnt aimed at any one video producer. And because some of Patricias advocates have suggested Andrew Katrinak had a motive for murder, I checked into whether he had a life insurance payout to gain upon Joanns demise. It has very bad energy. Today, Patricia Lynne Rorrer resides in State Correctional Institute at Muncy, a medium and maximum security facility that has the highest rate of cancer of all prisons in Pennsylvania, according to a story from northcentralpa.com. She led a normal life, with a job as an elevator operator at the Art Institute of Pittsburgh, until 1984, when her religious vision occurred. The state made a case fueled by circumstantial evidence and public outrage over the deaths of a modern-day madonna and child. Joanne and Alex didnt disappear until 12/15. If in the woods in a rural area, no animal, rodent or insect touched those bodies? Four months after Joanns disappearance, farmer Paul Kovalchik reported seeing what at first looked like a pile of clothes on his land in Heidelberg Township woods, about 15 miles from the Katrinaks house. Patricia Lynne Rorrer made for a good suspect. The Riverside County public defender stated that the court may reduce her first two offences to misdemeanors because they are classified as wobblers. Wobbler refers to a criminal offense that can be classified as either a misdemeanor or a felony. How do you explain the authorities finding .22mm shell casings at her home during the search warrant. Wouldnt that verify Troutmans claim that the husband was arguing with the victim, in a rage? Animals would have for sure. A lot of these documentaries feature most of the theories suggested by the cops and prosecution which were most damaging to her case, but not a single person to substantiate Rorrers side, or to challenge their versions. This information was never revealed to Rorrers defence. He had worked as a semi-pro boxer in Las Vegas in his youth and later settled into his own construction business. My husband passed away of a broken heart, Sarah OConnor said on the Montel Williams Show in 2001. Meticulous primping. So, if you feel you have to be critical of me, you should also bear in mind those hate-mongers and perhaps have a word with them too. The hair evidence is not compelling because theres a very good possibility that the evidence was compromised.