Would you say that a double whammy Nessus OPPOSITE Juno is something dangerous too ? More about Synastry (relationship Astrology) Intermediate and advanced students of Astrology might enjoy our article, SoulMate . For teaching purposes, one must break things down, so it may seem like it is contrary but it is really not, imo, Sandy. Maybe you felt this way sometimes given your Lilith-Eros contacts, but I was certainly the one more outwardly angry when the mess finally hit the fan. To make it simple for those of you who are on the same path, Ive rounded up the top 5 placements that indicate a past life marriage. Even with a trine this 8th house effect enhances both the good and the bad ? Is this you? Eros thrills, scares and creates intense bonds. Coming from a standpoint of being an archaeologist, we can interpret and theorize things ourselves all we want, but an archaeologist telling a crowd of people that their own interpretation of the past is the TRUTH would not only be incredibly wrong, but it would also be detrimental to people that no nothing about interpreting and analyzing archaeological sites, therefore they would take that persons word even though it is not truth. In our synastry chart we have moon trine pluto and mars square pluto. His abuse asteroid on her midheaven would be her reputation and career, right? I wouldnt think my mars/Pluto semisextile is as strong though it can do damage. I dont believe in past lives, Lo. there is no contact in real life anymore but the connection via the sexual chakra (either sacral or root chakra ) is still there and very strong. Eros conjunction sun and lucky point.. and mercury, uranus, pluto and venus in house seven, libra. They play out to have a certain pattern to the relationship. The Lilith person brings sexual energy that is literally untamed. I just never have, not that it is not good. People tell me the same thing they tell me with Nessus. I love you and hope you write to me to say hello or to ask questions. I only didnt like that its being portrayed as complete truth that will always occur, when its definitely not the case. M. % would be more ambient but felt imo Maria dear. In the rare instance where these two do meet, the results are truly awe inspiring, changing our lives in intense and lasting ways. the reason this is the case is that Mars is sexual drive( all drives actually). Yes, their Moons are trine both in Earth signs. That is why it is so powerful. YES, your Deja conj his NN will make you his victim, to put it really directly. Great primal connection with fighting lol. M. What are the exact Sun/pluto aspects Maria? Youll have to use your judgement here. What does that mean? I have some extreme aspects and I shudder to think how they would be expressed had I not had saturn at the top of my chart who keeps things in check via a grand trine involving some big bad planets. To summarize, I would say that Mars/Pluto could be passionate sex and passionate emotions but no soul.If a chart had no Moon aspects and Mars/Pluto aspects, I would say it would be a fling. Will be keeping my wits about me. Can this aspect be calmed down by a Mars conjunct Saturn contact? You are so welcome, Britt and thanks so much for telling me that you like it. Most Astrologers dont tell things straight like I do. Eros is also prominent in their synastry. His Nessus makes no major aspect to my planets, except a 3 orb trine to my Mercury and North Node, and Vertex..could this mean well step on each others toes when it comes to reaching our goals? 3) Angles in the houses & aspects. Eros in synastry Tell me, what is it like? I dont want to assume that having Nessus conj BML means Im going to be abusive in sexual relationships. And I know our feelings are mutually intense but certainly we experience our relationship from different perspectives. I just found out my abusers Moon is 1 degree conjunct my Dejanira. 3. Eros and Venus in a synastry chart! my sun in exact opposition to his pluto (I have this aspect in the natal chart) and my pluto in conjunction with his sun in an orb of 7 even far he can feel it? "In Greek art Eros was depicted as a winged youth, slight but beautiful, often with eyes covered to symbolize the blindness of love. It took me a minute to think about the wounded bird types, but I think you might be right. Would the aspects to the venus offset the negativity that the Dejanira implies? Does nessus still be working as a tendency to abuse? It is typical cat and mouse game with taboo twists. At the end of the day, that is all this god and goddess really ask for.". as well as to the signs and houses. It would simply be different. That is what I was saying. Amazingly accurate. Eros in Aries makes a person love the chase. My first husband was abusive His Nessus conjunct my Descendant They are deceiving themselves, would be a better way to say it. Sorry for the late reply. Posts: 9778 From: Death Star . Lilith person helps Ceres person find their power and authenticity. There is attraction based on dark forces like rage, pain and abuse. I am prone to being attacked in this way. Could it be a past life meaning? I have found that when someone's personal planets make strong aspects to someone else's natal Eros, a strong sexual bond and attraction is indicated. Hi Amiann Would you liken moon/pluto dynamics to an 8th house moon overlay? It is a true soul mate aspect, to me. Most potent are Eros-Venus, Eros-Ascendant, Eros-Psyche, and Eros-Mars links. We talk about it often (3rd house moon overlay) its just a bit overwhelming sometimes like a sweet dream one moment, then an absolute nightmare. Saturn draws the couple together due to karma, but Juno and South Node aspects offer more of a choice. Uranus is kink, so you do the math. I use the term female, but it would be the same for either sex. Another asteroid that is dark is Dejanira. I've never had a more natural and effortless sexual connection to someone in my life, and it blinded me to a lot of things. You can think that Im mad that what youre saying is real all you want, but the only thing that bothered me is your fatalistic outlook and claim of truth that is actually not real. The wonderful thing about this aspect, especially with the conjunction is that love is brought into the lives of both, even if . 9. It makes my day , What conjuncts the DSC, we disown and find in the partner. Theyre both devoted and kind people and Ive known her since we were teens. My Fortuna conjuncts precisely his Dejanira and Moon. Yes, this is all very true but the charts exist outside of time, too. I think you will have the urge to abuse. Does this mean anything? What use is reams of esoteric info for real life applications. What about a mars 8th house overlay also trining pluto? This is based on experience and charts, as are all my theories. He may abuse her and it would be seen publicly. I am not surprised this happened to you. But I do see this possibly helping people with many bad aspects that could show any possibility of abuse in their own chart already whom have actually been through anything so that this can help them feel validated about past or current pains, but its not good to deem things as going to play out in time just because they havent yet in a long standing, healthy relationship. When you say one which you contemplate, do you mean that the person is aware of the abuse tendency and tries to deal with it? Why dont you put up your chart in my Forum and ask your question again. To put it plainly, if you have a dominant Nessus, you will be an abuser. This is a general rule, my Friend. Thanks for your posts Ami. I could not agree more with this. It is not as intense as the conjunction but very intense, nonetheless. It is real to be neutral. Sorry if its too much info xx, Ps, sorry! Further, there is such a thing such as free will. Deja conj ASC may make for victimization as you fo through life, I am not able to do more. It wasn't until he began to withhold sex from me that I finally crumbled. What conjuncts your Aura? Yet despite this fearsome reputation she was often dismissed as " a minor Babylonian wind deity " or similar. The Nessus is usually the abuser but in this case, it was the son. My Dejanira is square his venus (-0a) and conjunct his vertex (0s). I am the nessus person and I admit to having some devious tendencies towards anyone with neptune in that position. I have looked at them unto themselves but everything matters so I will start to incorporate signs and houses. Synastry When a person's natal moon forms a conjunction with someone's Eros, or vice versa, this can be a very sexualbut very intenserelationship. What about this aspects? Hey there! Sun sextile/trine/conjunct Moon is often found in marriage synastry charts. What does that mean? It brings you back to the time when you were a child and truly powerless. When Eros touches the Sun, the energy of both the Sun and Eros awaken between . It is a pleasure to be here. Relationships that provoke her and Eros, although excruciatingly potent at times, serve as a meeting place for both divine figures. Thank you so much, Love. 1) What does it mean to have dejanira 13 in conjuction with my ascendant 12? You do not have to do their chart. I think most people of the same time period would have it though, so it is not that big of a deal, I think. There is NO way this will work out well, in my opinion. His touch is all at once sexual, creative and spiritual. Sorry if this came off mean, I just dont want people to get scared over having one aspect when astrological interpretations are not set in stone. Thats like saying everyone with their own natal mars square pluto aspect makes them destined to be molested. its more like the astrology helps me to fill in the pictures. I have this kinky fantasy specifically for him putting a really big needle into me as part of a medical procedure but this isnt my kink or fetish. Nessus and Dejanira do most certainly not mean abuse. And my dejanira conjunct his Venus. To me, you may really struggle with falling into the victim role and would have to keep pulling yourself up over and over until you get real traction which could take some time, oh im sorry. I am honored to have you as a valued member of my website family , Ivs, why dont you come put your chart in my Personal Readings Forum. In this video we will discuss the aspects between #Sun and #Eros in a synastry chart in Mix - Eros and Sun in Synastry! I seem to be one of the rare people doing it lol. I often see this aspect in the charts of couples who have been married for many years. Did you know I had one? That mars/nessus of his is also square his moon/pluto. I am not asking you to do mine either. All of astrology is neutral. Mars pluto aspects In mythology, Eros was the god of sexual love and desire. I have no vested interest in any asteroid or any placement being any way other than my being able to help people. That is why it is so powerful. 2) I just looked for the child asteroid and it is on 28 Capricorn, conjuct with my venus 1 Aquarius. , Not a sag actually, but a virgo with tons of leo in her chart, lol. Do you think the way it plays out ties into whatever our attitudes toward Eros/Lilith themes (erotic transformation, primal urges, etc) were to begin with? Priapus is likewise called a "minor rustic God" or even "an oversexed gardening God." I think her NN is right on his 7th house axis for one. My nessus is separated from my true node by 7 in cncer and in exact opposition to my venus. IF the chart does not seem right, then I think the time of birth is off. What does Nessus and Dejanira mean when conjuncting each other? Conjunctions, oppositions, and trines are best. Lets see. Now, we come to things that could really make the relationship dark. I cant really relate to Nessus at all, though I sometimes think I can feel BML itching under my skin. The charts tell all. Their capacity for intimacy and shared desire to melt into the fires of transformation is nothing short of total risk, which each are compelled to take- no questions asked. Before I leave this subject, I will add my theory. I am looking to add 5 more aspects and would love your opinions! or you consider just the closer orbit? If one person's Sun is conjunct Saturn and the other persons Eros is opposite Pluto, the contact will be quite different than if the Sun was conjunct Jupiter and Eros opposite Venus. This pairing can form a deep emotional bond, especially through physical intimacy. From the outsider's perspective, Eros and the Ascendant person will seem as if they are living the romantic experience only witnessed in films. Children create their future adult personalities by learning from the adults around them and their interactions, so it makes sense, sadly. I really have not looked at these aspects in signs, though. Because of where my Moon is at 2 56 Scorpio conjunct Pluto at 4 36 Scorpio in the 8th house the men around my age (Im 35);tend to have their Pluto conjunct my Moon/Pluto In my current relationship my boyfriend has Mars/Pluto conjunct my Moon/Pluto. I do find it funny that I have Dejenira in 5 deg Sag, since most of my arch enemies were Sags. Are they married, Lo. But I always have the feeling that people want to abuse/fool me in one way or another and they get surprised when I respond, I constantly need to stand up for myself in any sort of situation, from the cashier in the shop to colleagues at work. That doesnt mean youve never been married. The issue is that me disagreeing with you being fatalistic (because what you say is not what always happens, not even 60% of the time because I have nessus/dejanira aspects with most people that are close to me, and I have never been abused or attacked in any of those relationships) does not mean that Im not accepting the truth. I seemed to be destined to study and use Nessus and Deja. There are millions of possible outcomes, and none should be claimed as the truth. orb). It doesnt always make for the easiest of relationships, because both people come into the marriage with the weights of the past life issues, but it definitely has staying power. I believe her Dejanira is conjunct his Nessus by one degree. Who is whom? Why dont you come and put the chart up on my Forum? It is like sky diving. Dejanira is the victim asteroid. We need to look at the whole chart to see the whole story. And how did you arrive at the conclusion that Nessus and Dejanira are indicative of abuse? Thank you Ivs. Lilith-Mars Aspects in Synastry (conjunction, sextile, trine, opposition, square) Lilith-Mars aspects are all about clash of desires. . xxx, This may make Nessus and what it means i.e abuse, something that is a deep subject with you and on one which you contemplate. There is so few information on these aspects so I really appreciate reading more about it here and in the forum. Good afternoon, thank you for this article If it has not of yet, it may be a new relationship. I appreciate your thoughts on these aspects but I am concerned when any astrologer singles out specific aspects and makes sweeping judgements about charts and how the energies in that chart will be made manifest. I have more compassion for myself, and I feel validated some ~ not to identify more as a victim. Eros is looking for his equal to explore the realm of creative intimacy. Currently you have JavaScript disabled. Eros-Psyche: Eros and Psyche are natural mates. In fact, it is the opposite. I know this is an article for synastry, but Im a little worried about my natal chart after reading about Nessus and Dejanira. Still, even without the conjunction, I have Nessus in the 1st house, which would make me abusive, according to these theories, and I dont fit. In my opinion, it will play out. Im not meaning to argue if it sounds like it, its just damaging for ignorant people to come find posts saying that bad asteroids are always going to play out no matter what they do because that leads them to believe that everything in astrology is linear and has only a small set of possibilities that people cannot escape. This ascendant descendant conjunction alone does a very interesting thing in the chart. My Pluto opposite his Moon. Thank you, Kay <3 Isis is extreme devotion to the partner in the bravest, most selfless way possible. This vertex conjunction shows up again like in my previous relationship. Hardly. Please, keep me posted though but, yes, please, be careful, Love! Is there a good part to Nessus/deja conjunct? His moon also conjunct my IC, orb 1. Also, our vertexes are conjunct in the same degree. I could not really answer this question without seeing the whole chart. About Nessus/BML, I would watch it. What is your opinion on We have no moon aspects will this help? Aww Fluffy They may cause each other significant pain and strife, but God help any outsider who dares to point it out. Mars conj Saturn is not good. And as far as I know theres a strong correlation between nessus and psychopaths/abusers. Im not saying it is impossible for the aspects to play put for people, because a lot of times, you do see it come into play, but really only when ones own natal supports that factor with aspects between actual planets. Thank you again. To me, it always is. I would put Moon/Pluto first in terms of super connection and passion and Venus/Pluto second. I had waaaaay more rage than he did (granted, there were reasons for that) and said things so hurtful that I wince now when I think about them. It "wakes up those areas inside of us and causes us to express them sexually, free from the restrictions of reality. We are to take the blueprint that is given and then do what we want with it. Everyone should have one once in a lifetime, I suppose. Well you may want to take advantage of their trust and innocence. Lets hope more info comes out about this connection.:). Asteroids touching asteroids are not as powerful as asteroids touching persona; points on the chart such as the ASC, Moon, Sun, Venus etc. This only works with a synastry chart, and (as always) is simply my own opinion! Isis Conjunct the Vertex. It will not heal anyone to tell them that they are wrong when they say that their relationship is healthy and happy even though they have an aspect that you think is destined to be unhealthy. To be honest, few people overcome Nessus. Yes, it would. I can relate to everything Ive read from you. And thank you for this article, I should have said that before. I ve met a man who have his mars = my moon (1) in taurus and square my uranus (2) in aquarius. And my pluto trine his sun and venus..xxx, Mars sq Pluto can be violence and/or violent/strong passions. There are no planets conjunct or square either Nessue or Dejanira in either chart, the only conjunction is her Dejanira to his Nessus. Ascendant opposite ascendant (1st house on the 7th house overlay). Thank You so much for this info. what would the double wammy of sun and pluto look like? Their chemistry is obvious even after all these years but she did recently reveal that some light BDSM play is involved. It exposes our weaknesses and provides us a chance to deal with them constructively. We can still find a lot of info with no time of birth. What about Nessus conjunct Dejanira in synastry and there is no abuse whatsoever, what would that mean? Come and post the charts. It can also happen that there are changes in your love life when the Vertex is triggered in your birth chart by some transiting planet or progression. Again, telling people to get out of or stay out of relationships with an aspect that you in particular think will cause them harm is not healing in any aspect of the word. Lovely, Lo! There was some sort of karma created, whether the relationship was painful or whether one person abandoned it. I never heard of these asteroids, especially being linked to abusers and victims. Sydney, you are amazing. Fortuna Conjunct the Vertex. The asteroid Eros plays a role in sexual attraction as well. Moon conjunct Pluto is the strongest of the Moon/Pluto aspects because the conjunction trumps any other aspect in strength. Connections between the Vertex and the lunar nodes are also indicators of past life in synastry. Would appreciate some insight!! That never ceases to amaze me, either! The issue is telling people that are in healthy relationships or people that are around a couple in a healthy relationship, that those aspects will certainly play out no matter what. Im curious about that conjunction to my crushs NN, though..do you really think it could mean something? 1) What would it mean when my nessus conjuncts his nessus? It always starts this way. Same natal chart of a man who is 41-42 years old. Its not a square but there isnt much info out there on the conjunction. xx. That is why it feels so life and death. This is my opinion and other people may differ but I call things as I see them, Mandy dear. If you see Moon oppose or square Pluto, dont play with the person. Is there anything I can do to help her? It was a relationship based on dates and romance instead of the realities of life. . If you want to ask about 2 aspects, I will try to answer but an answer on the whole relationship needs an entire chart reading. The planets, asteroids, and stars do not cause only one particular outcome. Is there a positive aspect to this connection? The Fortuna would, likely, bring good fortune to the vertex person, likely in the arena of money. Posts: 376From: Western Massachusetts, USRegistered: May 2009. You truly made my day! It seems like the man of your childhood dreams walked out of the ether into your life like the larger than life heroes on the movie screens. I dont even have tattoos or my ears pierced. Ultimate Bulletin Board 5.46a, Powered by Infopop www.infopop.com 2000 It can be done but it is rare that someone reaches that level of spiritual mastery. My jupiter conjunct his sun and venus. I get into this discussion a lot with people. I think theres a trine or sextile to other asteroids but nothing major. This question would need me to see the whole chart because what I do is put it all together and come out with a practical answer. Deja conj the DSC may make you look for wounded bird types. Would the aspects to the venus offset the negativity that the Dejanira implies? We do not have enough information on every aspect, and never will because again, no interpretation is set in stone to be able to tell someone that something is most certainly going to happen. Ceres person appreciates this, as they typically focus more on caregiving than on their own inner desires. Thanks you, Jos. But interested to see how things unfold. TEA & ROSEMARY LLC. Your passions are overwhelming, spontaneous, and you develop your attractions without even thinking about it. 2021 - ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Lastly, with me having moon conjunct neptune in my natal and venus in my 12th house, does that make me similar to venus in pisces xxx I ask because I attract men with mars in pisces and men who have pisces as a descendant/7th house , Hi Ami, Do these asteroids have to be conjunct planets or square each other to be dangerous? Mars/Pluto is more primal in a pure sexual way than Moon/Pluto which is more emotional and much more emotionally bonded. The Basic House Rulers23 Simple Steps for Beginners. Yes, I was thinking about this. Try to post the charts so see a visual! If the man is the Dejanira, he would be the victim. Astrology 101 Astrophilosophy 1.8K subscribers Subscribe 119 3K views 1 year ago Eros and Venus in. I meant in synastry her saturn conjuct his deja 1 degree, Thats ok. Aww She may ride his case for being a victim like say, get over it etc etc, Pingback: Dark sexual relationship synastry top 5 | Signing. How would it play out if my boyfriends Dejanira is conjunct my venus/juno conjunction but my venus/juno is part of a grand trine with my midheaven and also my moon/Bella/mars/pluto conjunction? Thank you for your words. It does indicate that both partners knew each other in a past life, but other romantic aspects are needed in the chart to create an energy strong enough for a marriage. I dont know too much about asteroids and wonder if the intense attraction I am feeling will fizzle as quickly as it came about or if it lasting. That being said, the charts WILL play out, imo and ime. They may not be able to see what you are up to and you could use this for your gain. Knowing more. I think Chiron is extremely important in any synastry chart because it speaks to the deepest wounds created between two people. If you want to ask me a simpler question, I am game! with Dejanira conjunct his natal Sun Not all people with a prominent Dejanira are victims I disagree.I think they will be until they can truly overcome it with God. The opposition would be the same but not as locked in or as intense. I was sexually abused in my home by a family member. It may be the abuse takes place in the home or within the family. With mercury and Uranus in Scorpio. Making people fear being in relationships over tiny aspects that do not have an incredibly high chance of playing out is not healing to others. Eros contacts in synastry have been touted as creating attraction that cannot be denied. Lilith, both Black Moon and Asteroid 1181, brings up deep and primal sexual energy sometimes accompanied by feelings of anger, rejection and rage. Free Horoscopes charts, calculations Birth Natal Chart Online Calculator Ascendant, Rising Sign Calculator Astro Portrait: Sun, Moon, ASC Personal Daily Horoscope Transit Chart Calculator Secondary Progressions Solar Arc, Solar Return, Prognoses Synastry, Composite, Davison Chart Traditional Astrology Calculator Sidereal Astrology Calculator Draconic Astrology Calculator Various astrology . It would have ruined my relationship with my mother because I would have feared her even though she showed no signs of abuse. Things to look for in synastry: Here we focus on indications of sexual attraction using Astrology as our tool. Having a planet you have on your 7th house falling on their 1st house and a planet in your 1st house falling on their 7th house and vice-versa which would create an opposite between the two planets in the synastry chart. Do we exile her from consciousness or build her a sanctuary for potent, creative expression? I've never experienced it myself, but have read that Lilith/Pluto contacts are also intensely sexual and even violent (particularly the opposition). Is it a similar power to the conjunction? Deep soul love, incredibly painful at times. Those interpretations CAN happen, but they are not destined to. Hi Amiann, how do you think nessus square neptune would play out in synastry, lets say if its almost exact. His sun/jupiter/neptune/venus are on my venus/saturn trouble spot in scorp. In these dark, sexual relationships, you feel the raw passion and soul mate connection like no other. So the theory doesnt check out. Also, It doesnt suit me. Playing with someones emotions when these aspects are involved could lead to bad things such as violence. on Dejanira and Nessus. That is the nature of the DSC. A recent past life will influence every bit of the relationship you have now. Nessus conj the NN in the natal would be a person who would likely be abusive. I do charts for the people who want them. As far as the form of abuse, one must look at the sign and the quadriplicity( cardinal, fixed or mutable) One must look at the chart to see how the abuse will play out but I think that abuse will occur in your situation with Nessus conjunct Dejanira. Hardly. With asteroids, I would accept a 3 degree conjunction, tops. His natal mars, lilith, pluto conjunction is conjunct my ic and I've distanced myself from him knowing that he has wayyyy too much power over me, but every time I see him I can barely stand and immediately start shaking I am glad my post was helpful! That is why I dont mince words. Lovely and very filled with passion! As one of the four largest asteroids (along with Vesta, Pallas, and Juno), Ceres is usually analyzed in the birth chart. We also had a Juno Vertex conjunction. Eros in a synastry chart. And when you really think about it this line of thought deserve to be abused is quite sociopathic in nature. and DW : womans Nessus (13 Gemini) opposite mans Juno ( 12 Sag). One person is kind of riding the other one in this. If I had read this as a 14-16 year old, I wouldve been waiting everyday for my mother to start emotionally, mentally, or physically abusing me, and it would have put me in a constant state of fear because I didnt know much about astrology or how complex and fluid it is. Sun person helps Lilith person recognize their subconscious gifts and strengths. I have moon conjunct neptune and venus in 12th house. To gather more about the flavor of the relationship, look to the actual aspect (is it favorable or difficult?) The Lilith person might have trouble with issues surrounding desirability. What if a man has Dejanira conjunct a womans Sun? Moon conjunct pluto Im composite and moon in 12th house composite (our feelings were a secret for a long time as we didnt know how we felt and were not able to be together for a long time). Eros: Synastry Aspects . Thats fatalistic and leaves the image that the entire rest of the charts and people themselves are completely victim to two asteroids that are being portrayed as always playing out when they really do not always do so. or is the bad guy Nessus only dangerous when in conjonction with Dejanira ? Saturn conj Mars in Scorpio could produce a kinky kind of thing. Can you relate to it or are just worried in general lol.