These are rare, a line can be seen along the dounut post on both sides. This test, along with a check of adjustment remaining in the takedown joint and functioning of the slide lock dis-connector, are my standard mechanical checks for a Model 12. restrictions refer to: http://www.copyright.gov/laws/ - doublegunshop.com will not monitor nor will they be held liable for copyright violations presented on the BBS which is an open and un-moderated public forum. My gun is a pump action Model 12 shotgun with a grooved slide handle (forearm). Shooting the Model 12 Duck Gun I own two Model 12 duck guns. It is in excellent condition with only light handing marks, Used Browning BT99 Plus
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"Home of TAX, WINCHESTER MODEL 12 16GA PUMP ACTION SHOTGUN, 26" BBL, 2 3/4, POLY CHOKE, RIBLESS, EJECTORS, SINGLE TRIGGER, MEDIUM DARK FIGURED WALNUT, PISTOL GRIP, LOP 14 3/8, 1 1/2, 2 5/16, 7LBS 3OZ, 985 BLUE, Winchester. But it would be my guess that the wood has been refinished and the gun has been reblued. Produced in 1961. custom bolt act. Manufactured in 1959. I also have seen a few in my day where the solid rib was removed and actually sent a customers Black Diamond to Simmons back in the seventies to put a vent rib on a solid rib gun. Title. Very good condition overall. There are 3 possible models that you might have: 1) Your Model 12 has a grooved slide handle and with a 'F' stamped after the serial number and has a lightweight alloy trigger guard. service to the online gun buying experience that is unheard of. Also, it was the only 1 3/8-ounce magnum load available. The less pronounced pistol grip-style buttstock of the original Model 12 was discontinued in late 1934 and is not found on duck guns. The duck gun version of the Model 12, introduced in 1935, was a natural consequence of duck hunters in charge of Winchester. ORIGINAL BOX INCLUDED. And you are not right about them becouse the model 12 evolved over time with improvements you didn't seem to catch becouse you are probable not a shooter. Item . Each fired target was turned over and a 30-inch cardboard disc placed to cover the maximum number for pellet holes. Rudy was well known with model 12' s and pre-64 model 70's now as far a Felix, he's in a better place now. During that time they largely made the right business decisions, hired the right people, and enjoyed a fair share of luck. A 2pin vent rib lets the shooter sight under the bird and keep the bird in sight. Free Shipping, No Credit Card Fees. Refresh your browser window to try again. be complicated. However, Winchesters ribs were not marked with the Simmons name and Kansas City address as mine is. The trap load was included because trap shooting is suited to the duck gun. I have owned a Pigeon grade model 12 trap Dounut vent rib, built late 1955, now that's an oddity, who would order a Pigeon Trap with a Dounut Rib (?) Popularly named the Perfect Repeater at its introduction, it largely set the standard for pump action shotguns over its 51-year high-rate production life. It was Western that produced the 3 1/2-inch 10-gauge magnum with 2 ounces of shot in 1932. Options for the Model 12 duck gun were reduced over the years, particularly following World War II. 2. Stay in the know. The Simmons rib is done at Winchesters direction as it has the WP proof offset from the rib. Checkered semi-fancy walnut pistol grip stock with extended forearm and a solid Winchester recoil pad. The latest 2-pin rib gun researched has a serial number of 19114xx with a date of August 26th, 1960. Both guns averaged 80% or better patterns with all loads of #4 shot. Actually, it is generally thought by researchers that no Winchester factory Model 12 ribs were made or installed by Simmons. Sold them when we down sized to a smaller house that did not have a custom built safe room in it like the old house. Epic 22 Pocket Pistol: The Beretta 71 Jaguar. SN 1231992 Up for sale is a very clean and unique Winchester Model 12 in Pigeon Grade. Learn how your comment data is processed. winchester model 12 heavy duck gun 30" simmons vent rib 1953 pre-64 rare 12 ga. magnum 3" edition proof marking - 12 gauge magnum - 5 - 30 " When I dress Western, nothing beats the classic good looks of my Smith & Wesson (S&W) 586 .357 revolver. THE VENTILATED RIB IS BY SIMMONS GIN, 16ga, Full Choke, 26" barrel with a bright and shiny bore. Stock has a Monte Carlo cheekpiece and European pistol grip with a right hand palm swell. You are also correct that the different rib styles used on Model 12's can get confusing..EG. Although acquired many years apart, the two duck guns are of nearly the same vintages, 1952 and 1953. The solid rib gun shows carrying wear while the ventilated rib gun was refinished when the rib was installed. I believe the blueing to be original. There was only one way to go after World War I: standardize shell lengths, discontinue bastard gauges and reduce the load options. Powered by UBB.threads PHP Forum Software 7.7.5. The Winchester Model 1912 (also commonly known as the Model 12, or M12) is an internal-hammer pump-action shotgun with an external tube magazine. Regards Chuck. 30" Vent Rib Excellent White Front . This is not John Waynes revolver it is a modern work of art! When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. The Model 12 was about 40 percent more expensive than the '97, yet it consistently outsold its older brother during the 45-year-span they shared in the Winchester catalog. The slide handle was given a larger diameter, flat bottom and 14 grooves on each side of the handle about 1947. Beautifully figured wood is solid with only light handling marks and marks on bo, This Winchester Model 12 started life in 1924 and has been customized by unknown individual at some point. I know the patent date for this rib was 1919. Elmer Keith instructs:For the man who wants greater range and a bigger shot load for duck or goose shooting, the Model 12 Winchester is in a class by itself [with] the long 3 load. Nevertheless, the 1 7/8-ounce load appeared in the mid-50s and now a full two ounces of shot can be had in the 12 magnum. Winchester proof steel replaced nickel steel in the manufacture of all Winchester firearms in the early 1930s. A forum community dedicated to Trap shooting enthusiasts. Used Winchester Model 12 20 Gauge 26" barrel WS-1 choked skeet
Cutts compensator with restriction inserts good condition reduced, Winchester Model 12 Pigeon Grade 12 Gauge. Chamber marked 2 3/4", choke marked full, and 13 1/8" LOP. 30 Barrel. Pictures are of the item listed. Important to note that this gun was made in 1956, the first year for the round post factory installed Special Ve, FOR YOUR VIEWING IS A VERY NICE WINCHESTER MODEL 12 in 20 GA. WITH A VENT RIBBED 26" BARREL AND IC CHOKED. No Reserve. Lay-a-way available for t, Excellent overall condition sporting original finishes. I included #2 shot because this size shot has always been my goose and turkey load in 3-inch shells. My name is Chuck 620 515 0556. Possible the fore end has been either replaced or re done. The silhouette provides a precise aiming point. IC CHOKED MIROKU MADE. Pattern percentages were around 70% with these latter loads. George Watrous, a longtime Winchester employee with many talents, was commissioned to investigate the good and bad points of Winchesters pre-war line and make suggestions for postwar improvement. President Roosevelt signed the law limiting magazine repeaters to three shells for migratory game bird hunting in 1935. The standard length was 2-5/8 inches. It was manufactured in 1962 and is a skeet grade. Consider the possibility of a hang-fire, an occasional event in 1912, in a gun without the slide lock feature. Thanks for the reference. Duck hunters bought 12-gauge doubles with 3-inch chambers to use the new Super-X magnum load, the Super Twelve as it was soon called. The locked breech bolts of both guns have little perceptible play when the rear of the bolt is pressed from the side. Model 12 was offered in several different styles: 1. No other pump shotgun feels like the duck gun. Stadt's book is a very good book that alot of people don't seem to know about. Must be shipped to an FFL, New price, Listed is a like new Winchester DU, Model-12, 12 Ga Pump Shotgun. Not shown in the table of results are the dense centers of patterns obtained with #4 shot compared to # 8 and #2 shot. The $48 price tag was right. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. 1 Winchester Model 70 Ultra Grade Featherweight 270 Win. Winchester ~ Model 12 Custom~ 12 GA Used Guns. I have read the 3 different books I have on model 12's from cover to cover many times. Johnson designed the Models 52 and 61 rimfire rifles and the Model 54 centerfire rifle. Askins wrote in his 1929 book Modern Shotguns and Loads: Perhaps half the game that is killed in America today is shot with repeating shotguns, pump or automatic. Since Every shotgun manufacturer is a friend of mine, Askins views were well known in the industry. It's what was refered to as a "Olympic Rib". Every once in a while a Model 12 comes through our club with a high Moneymaker rib like that. On the other hand, a duck caught in the middle of one of these dense-centered pattern sat 40 yards would receive a dozen or more pellets. It is general consensus that 10 patterns are required for an accurate appraisal of a given load and barrel combination. Winchester Custom Model 12 20ga Deluxe GI#: 102228842 Winchester Custom Model 12 20ga 2 3/4" 28" full choke barrel,Simmons vent rib,serial #683559,fancy French Walnut checkered stocks with great color and figure,jeweled bolt and lifter,ex .Click for more info Seller: First Stop Gun Area Code: 605 $1,750.00 By 1955, the options were matted rib, ventilated rib, straight or pistol grip stock and buttstock and extension slide handle checkered. No Reserve. Mar 24, 2023 Winchester Model 12 Shotgun $150 Mar 24, 2023 Two Winchester Pump Shotguns $150 Mar 24, 2023 L.C. Cred, Ser no 510553, Mfg 1928 , Numbers Match, 30" Donut Post Vent Rib that is stamped Imp Cyl but has been relined and is Mod, 2nd barrel is 30" Donut Post Vent Rib stamped full but is Mod, Stamp, This Winchester Model 12 was manufactured in 1955 and is in good condition for its age. customers to the absolute best of our abilities. 1934 skeet grade offerd. Must ship to an FFL. Outdoor Hub, LLC (d/b/a Carbon Media Group), 30800 Telegraph Rd, Suite 1921, Bingham Farms, MI 48025 USA. The gun weighed 8 1/2 pounds with its 32-inch Full choke barrel. 31 12 ga. pump shotgun w/ Simmons ventilated rib - walnut checkered stock & forearm - & 30" MAKE OFFER. The magnum led to new class of long-range double-barrel shotguns for waterfowl. In their view, the Model 12 pump with 3-inch chamber was likely to sell better than a similarly chambered Model 21 double. Tried to talk him out of doing it and sell him a build up gun but he wanted a vent rib on it as it was his dad's gun. Deluxe checkered walnut, Its new in the original box with associate paperwork in wrapping paper.. has mi, Metal surfaces rate very good, handling marks to wood. Thats like spending 12 days straight day and night. Later pump guns, such as the Remington Model 870 and Mossberg Model 500, do not have the slide lock feature. The Olins bought Winchester for $8.1 million through a combination of $3.3 million cash and the balance in an issue of preferred stock. There is some difference in what they say but are good reference. Model 12 duck guns had the same six-shot capacity as the standard Model 12: one in the chamber, five in the magazine. It is not as slow or pokey as one might expect. The staff shot skeet with the gun and concluded It is not as fast as the standard Model-12, but nearly so., In further shooting tests the staff found We could not discern any practical difference in recoil effect when shooting standard three inch heavy duck loads. Winchester supplied two boxes of 3-inch shells loaded with 1 3/8-ounces of #5 chilled shot pushed by four drams equivalent of powder. 26" Vent Rib Barrels Choked SKEET. Such were the men of the long-range duck-hunting cult. Whether you're looking for a truck gun, something for the bug out bag, or a do-anything firearm we have you covered. But getting back to the original question, a Simmons rib does detract from the value of a Model 12 and most people will turn away from them. An incredible collector grade limited production 1953 Model 12 HEAVY DUCK GUN SIMMONS VENT RIB that is offered below Blue Book value. Included with the gun is its orig, Winchester Model 12, 28 Gauge in very good to near fine original condition. I believe the solid ribs were soft (lead) soldered like the model 21's. Not sure how many of you know this, but the rib has a serial number stamped on the underside of them with the same number stamped on the underside of the barrel. The ducks shot by me in the accompanying photograph were taken with Skeet boring and trap loads of #7 1/2-shot. I would think if you did shoot you proble flinch like heck becouse ther must be a lot of jerk in you. Ronald Stadt states in Winchester Shotguns and Shot-shells: All Winchester special ventilated rib magnum guns examined have sand-blasted receiver tops. Solid ribs were offered until the mid-1950s, except as noted by Stadt: The 1960 wholesale-retail catalog listed 30-inch solid rib pidgeon magnums. Ducks Unlimited was born in 1937 to aid in restoration of wetland breeding areas, primarily in Canada. The Olins soon added to the attractiveness of the Model 12 duck gun by bringing out a new 1 5/8-ounce load for the 3-inch shell. Instead of buying a gun thats
I read your posts; you do love the Model 12, been there done that. Winchester Model 12 in 16 ga with a 26" barrel with a full choke. Smith & Wesson Model 586: Reviewing A .357 Revolver With Class. The first was helping the gunsmiths. I have often wondered how well my guns would pattern with modern ammunition. The used value of a WINCHESTER MODEL 12 shotgun has fallen ($310.78) dollars over the past 12 months to a price of $447.25 . . The duck guns reputation was made with the one and five-eighths ounce load, the heaviest 12 magnum load from about 1935 to the mid-1950s. Very Good example of a Model 12 26 inch poly choke with vent rib 12 ga. Other conditions: Phone 715-478-0404 within 48 hours to confirm payment, . The earliest Simmons catalog I ever found was 1949 when Ernie began advertising his "Special vent rib" which was the "Dounut Post". And make the 42 any grade you want and a self described winchester know it all couldn't tell the differance and may have bought one. Factroy finish on metal, custom wood. Second Media Corp., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. Ernie Simmons had a close relationship with Winchester & John Olin; if you find any NSSA ,ATA, Field & Stream and Sports Afield magazines pre-war and post war you'll find he sold plenty of Winchesters out of his gun shop and attended many shoots selling target guns. I fired 10 patterns for each of the five test loads in each of the two duck guns, for a total of 100 patterns. This percentage was disappointing compared to the 80% or better patterns obtained with other duck guns tested by the staff. "SN:561491. The drop at heel was reduced from 2-1/2 to 2-3/8 inches in December 1938. Only rib extensions of the same width as the factory ventilate drib are found on receivers of duck guns. We need to talk model 12's sometime. Note: The posting of Copyrighted material on this forum is prohibited without
The 1 5/8-ounce load of the mid-30s bought the 12 magnum a few more yards of range. A smothered roar from around the corner! This fine shotgun comes from the factory with a Cutts choke system, Metal surfaces rate near excellent, handling marks to wood. Winchester - Model 12, Deluxe, Pump Action, RARE 28ga. It is at my engraver now. Today I have a nice collection of them, mostly target grade guns. There are currently no customer product questions on this lot. becouse plain barrels shoot higher than solid ribs do ,solid ribs shoot flatter. John Olin wanted a new 3-inch .410 shotshell with 3/4-ounce of shot for Winchesters new Model 42. We get the FFL from your store others make you find it, copy it, and fax it. Spend your time enjoying the gun you want, not getting frustrated with a complex website that makes gun buying hard. Checkered stocks and extension slide handles were available as options on the standard grade throughout most of the duck guns production. The Gun and the Times The Model 12 duck gun examined by the staff of the American Rifleman in 1936 was the earliest version. Askins Ithaca 10-gauge double with 2 7/8-inch chambers averaged 86.9% with 1 5/8-ounces of shot. Winchester Model 12 16Ga Pump Shotgun 28" Excellent condition Made in 1939 Gun #: 903285649 Seller: JerArms GA Sales: 60 $872.00 Full Details More from this Seller 1 Image (s) Winston Churchill custom Winchester Model 12 Pigeon 20 gauge, gold relief, staggering wood, provenan. Range was 40 yards from gun muzzle to target frame. Great communications. THE SHOTGUN HAS A 30' PLAIN BARREL AND IS FULL CHOKE. a post would have spent 281.5 hours trying to correct off handed remarks as a expert about winchester model 12's & 42's. Winchester sent some M-12s to Simmons to have ribs installed, Simmons returned them to Win. The shotgun featured here was made in 1976 and is in stellar condition. Its been debated over the years if the solid rib model 12 barrel were silver brazed or fused with heat? This is why they were rust blued instead of hot blued. A milled rib Model 12 is a milled rib Model 12, but the terminology is used a bit loosely. Winchester Model 1300 Speed Pump - 12 GA $395.00: 0 $395.00 1d 15h 33m 17222600. Pandemonium! Winchester Model 12 Pigeon 28 Gauge Single Family Owned Since 1967, Vent. Then people would choose a grade of model 12 and add or change things to ther hunting or shooting style. Askins stated in Modern Shotguns and Loads: All shotguns which are intended for long range work.should be patterned at 60 yards. Continuing, loads which pattern around 85% [at 40 yards] have that quality which will permit them to continue a pattern on down the range.Askins found that each yard of range beyond 40 yards reduced pattern density by an average of two percent. Reduced bag limits and shell capacities for repeating shotguns were introduced. Manufactured in 1959. It would stop ducks consistently at 80 yards. Two years after Askins wrote the above, he received from Ithaca the first 3 1/2inch Magnum 10 double off the assembly line. In those good old days of the 1960s the ducks flew just above the cattails and shots were plentiful. Winchester undertook preparations for improvements in its firearms line following World War II. The old trap shooters didn't and they did just fine. A study of Michael McIntoshs book Best Guns indicates that a few thousand of the specialized waterfowl doubles of all brands were sold between 1921 and 1941. A new chamber ring and a # 1 heavy draw adjusting sleeve. Saint Charles, Missouri. Mechanically, the Model 12 duck gun differs little in design from the standard Model 12. Gun Digest editors know guns so you know guns. Western rapidly achieved a leading position in the ammunition industry through innovation and skillful management. However, killing ducks at long range remained the objective of many duck hunters. Wood is in very good condition showing very little handling or wear marks. I know of a gun shop in Idaho that can take about any model 42 and put on round post ribs or solid ribs that are just like factory original with the proof marks. An 80% pattern they felt should make it a real 60-yard outfit with No. In 1960, length of pull was increased to 13-3/4 inches on duck guns. You are correct. $899.97. It has a fiber optic front sight which is not origina, SOLD Ser no 1949422, Mfg 1962, 3-Pin Vent Rib, Full, 30" Barrel, Signed by M Dubber, Who I beleive was a colt engraver, 14 1/2" Lop to Winchester Red Vented Pad, Comes with case, Excel, Winchester Custom Model 12 20ga 2 3/4" 28" full choke barrel,Simmons vent rib,serial #683559,fancy French Walnut checkered stocks with great color and figure,jeweled bolt and lifter,ex, WINCHESTER MODEL 12 HEAVY DUCK 12GA 3" MAGNUM. Here's what it's like to shoot this classic scattergun. 4 chilled shot.. your community AND if they have it in stock, you can pick your gun up
Another sign of an after factory rib were the numer of 30" Full field guns later ribbed either with Simmons or MoneyMaker ventilated ribs, but the top milled groove in the receiver was a dead-give-away as to that, and when the Model 12 ruled the ATA roost, I am sure many "newbies" bought those modified and restocked field guns and thought - "Wow- now I have a Model 12 Trap gun- look out Vandalia, here I come"--I have several post 1935 12 gauge Model 12 buttstocks and also 18 ring forearms in my "parts boxes, also older logo and non-logo repro 12 gauge black bakelite buttplates-the 16 and 20 and 28- all on the same size receiver, take the same stock configuration. This is a 12 GA pump shotgun manufactured in 1950. For small bores, there are still new factory wood sets available. Tommy, I would be interested in one of the guns you describe. M, ventilated rib, mid 1950's manufacture, completely original, only one ever produced by Winchester, ultimate rarity for the Model 12 co, 12ga, #1737096, standard gun that has been restocked and has a Simmons ventilated rib added, 12ga, 30 inch barrel, full choke, 2 3/4 inch chamber, 14 3/4 inch LOP with "Decelerator" pad, blu, Winchester Model 12 - 20ga - 26 - Improved Cylinder- NIB - UNFIRED - SN: MT0162 - AS NEW with high figured wood, Winchester Model 12 28 gauge Skeet solid rib.